The August Congressional recess so I gives members of Congress a chance to come home and meet with their constituents and catch up on work back in the district's we thought during the August recess that we would invite members of Congress from our region to come and visit with us in with you and a couple weeks ago. Our guest was Bruce vento from the 4th District today. We have Don Frazier from the 5th. We also have been issued invitations to Bill friends will from the third and Elk we from the first they were unable to join us during this recess, but we hope that they'll be able to come here or perhaps in the in the late fall or early winter.Congressman freezer is here to answer your questions from you and I would like to put a question to him. You may do so by calling us at 2 9 1 1 2 2 2 in the Minneapolis-Saint Paul area or 800-652-9700. In other parts of Minnesota while we wait for our first questions Congressman. Let me ask you a little bit about your possible Senate High intentions you get interest indicator that you may be interested in seeking the senate seat held by Senator Anderson that the spot should be considered open because of the nature took the seat the nature of appointment. That is what is there about Senator Anderson's performance on the job that makes you consider the possibility of opposing him.I come to this question though somewhat differently last year when many of us thought the senator Humphrey might beyond the national Democratic ticket I moved around the state exploring the possibility of becoming a candidate for his seat in the event that he did go on to the National tickets. I think it's fair to say the same time. The governor Anderson was also interested less overtly, but still anticipating that possibility and doing some modest organizing for it. But of course things turned out quite differently Senator Ramon Dale became the vice presidential candidate. And so there was an opening and unexpected opening. He and I have made clear that I don't propose to be critical of the governor's the appointment of the governor to that position, but I'm not clear that you my own mind that the fact that he's feeling it by appointment at the moment means that the rest of us have to lose interest at we now have to defer to an incumbent as we normally do I in this case. It seems to me that to where the statue clearly provides for an interim appointment into the one has been made it leaves it as an open seat and may well be useful for both the Democratic farmer labor party Minnesota and perhaps later the voters to have a choice in the matter. So I put it more from that point of view not the point of you being critical of a governor Anderson, Senator Anderson night. I've always believed it to you did a good job as governor of our state. A bit more on the question whether I am might not continue my interest in sand and provide a choice for those who are going to be faced with a decision sometime later next year little about the nature of that choice. What would be the difference between Senator Anderson and Senator Fraser? Well as I suspected to on the basis of voting records that the differences would not be very great. So I think both of us would be identified. The service sit in the Senate these last two eight months to my 15 years of service in the house is Northern Democrats with all the dead implies generally supporters of the program of the national Democratic party. I think the difference is that people might look to our prep differences and style at the difference is why we approach issues at the kinds of concerns that we Express on her own initiative and I'm not at this point prepared to try to detail at those differences are in fact, it's something that preps others will have to decide for themselves. But am I thought is if I were to become an active candidate, I would proceed on the basis simply putting my best foot forward rather than trying to be critical of anybody else who may be seeking Lee endorsement or support at what point do you expect you might make a decision on this? Well, it seems to me I should make a decision fairly soon. Congress will be The journey we hope in late October. This would give me some time and November and December to move around and visit with people and if I'm going to actively seek out to the degrees apart that may exist. I would probably want to use this. To do so. It's about 6 minutes past ten Our Guest live in the studio. Today is Congressman John Fraser from Minneapolis from the 5th District in Minnesota. If you like to put a question to him you may do so by calling us at 29112 to 2 in the Minneapolis-Saint Paul area or 800-652-9700 in Southeastern, Minnesota in the central part of the state or in northeastern, Minnesota. Congressman who have taken a couple of trips around the state to assess the Public's reaction to you. You did this last year. I believe what what sorts of the responses did you get? Well in cursive. Look most common response. I got to it was one of friendliness and interest I think at the time people were interested in having potential candidates move around a present themselves. And I find people tickling the rural areas are seem to always be friends no matter whether for you against you so that I found it a very rewarding experience on a question of whether as result of that. I might have expected some saporta. I think I can perhaps only generalize by saying that I was encouraged by what I found in the response I got in and what I heard two others. It really definitive about it because it never came to a to a hard choice for people but it was a fair amount of encouragement that that encourage me. Did you find yourself to be a known quantity in other than the Twin Cities area? Well, I think one has to look at sort of one's talking about respect to the general public. I think. My name is Prince most. No, one in the Fifth District where I've been running for a number of years then the further away one gets from that then that the less the public is aware of congressional service inside the the more active members of the democratic power labor party though. There is a wider awareness and many I've met many people in various conventions and party meetings around the state and so there I think they were quite aware of my interest before I arrived. Well, I think our first telephone color is standing by and let's go to that person. Hello. You're on the air. Thank you Congressman Fraser in your your opening come into indicated that both the dfl probably should have a choice as to who they would want for their candidate and the voters is that mean that you my challenge Senator Anderson in a primary election. Well, I've always been a strong advocate of the role of the political party in making an initial recommendation of the voters recommendations can always be testing the primary but absent some extraordinary judgment on the part of the party. I generally prepared to live with it and say it's party should endorse Senator Anderson for election. I would defer to that judgment on the other hand if It's all contingent on whether I'm getting into the race. Of course, there is a some prospect that there might not be an endorsement. The party rules require 60% majority and in a contested claim for support often is not possible for you to decide to get 60% or if it's gotten this gotten after such an agonizing. Of time after so many ballots that it's value is going to be reduced. So I have to face the prospect that there may not be an endorsement or Well as some other contingency why but that's the main when I'm looking at. All right. Thank you for calling we have another listening standing by good morning. You're on the air. Hope and work for a the legislation is being proposed to require a special election to replace senatorial vacancy. Well then. Is a matter I think the legislature will have to decide I am I haven't been involved in the hearings that have been held are in the review that has been made in both the house and the Senate generally speaking. If one reads the present statue did contemplates and dinner appointment until the next general election. This is for the Senate it's unlike the house where special election is provided for. Quite a process was used in another case recently in the case of Senator Mondale when he took his seat. That had white acceptance. I don't think there was any real criticism of the app to because I think it was believed going to roll dog shows the person that you thought perhaps was highly qualified or most qualified and it had General support in the party and then the public so I'm not too convinced that the appointment process is necessarily a bad one. That is at the public necessarily perceives it as bad as the difficulty arose. I think this time when the appointing authority turned out to also be a have his name on the list and even though the governor may have been the best choice. Is it processed become suspect people feel that it may not have been a fair appraisal of the candidates. I guess where I come out at is that the one who had the authority and actually we're not. It was not able to appoint himself or herself. And even if there were some consultation provided for with respect to the party or from whom the appointment was to be made there might be some value in that and then let the the seat be filled by election of the next next general election the problem with special elections as I see it is how do you get people especially interested? How do you get a large turnout? How do you raise the amount of money in and create the voter awareness that is desirable to have a really a good election and these remain very large questions in my mind. It's not so much of the problem at a congressional district level at Statewide. It's a formidable task 2 campaign. Statewide de Anda. Of 30 or 60 days and I'm not sure that one would find that the result was necessarily is as good as one would hope All right. Thank you for calling we have another listener on the line the morning around the Year. I hope the Panama Canal treaty will be passed by Congress. What is Congressman Fraser's opinion? Well, I support the president and the ratification of the treaty with Panama. I have advocated for many years that the Panama Canal be turned over to an international Authority. I think the international Waterway is like the Suez in the Panama ought to be controlled by International. How organizations under the control probably of the United Nations are having some governing body their own as nationalism grew in Panama. This option wasn't a realistic one and it seemed to me that for the United States to hold itself out as having the right to be one of the few remaining Colonial powers in the world is very difficult to justify and would continue to cause us enormous difficulty in our relations Not only was Panama and in Central America, but with many other countries around the world, so I think The movement of history that we witnessed in since World War II of decolonization has to extend to our claim of ownership of a piece of land that goes right through the middle of the country Panama. I agree. Thank you very much. Hello. You're on the air. V I understand it's a lot of opposition to this and feeling of discrimination including the congressman also. Well, there is a proposal. that retirement at age 65 or retirement at any fixed age should be outlawed. I favor such a measure. We have passed laws dealing with age discrimination, but those laws don't reach the problem of compulsory retirement. I would like to see considerably more flexibility created with his back to the question of retirement. Not only do I think the arbitrary fixing of an age use a mistake but respect to Social Security. I'd like to see more flexibility. I think that we should consider enabling men and women to retired anytime after age 60. There may be some reduction in the pension level since they would be drawn at laundry. But further consideration, I think we ought to have in mind is what the Swedish or do. I know that is the possibility of the the phasing out rather than the sun stopping so that you don't work full-time one week in the next have nothing to do they're experimenting with a gradually phase-down work. For workers were looking towards retirement. I think this could be very useful is the way we treat their older people I think. Is close to a national disgrace to the number of retired people who just feel that they are on and thrown on the scrapheap cuz it's really you can tell the trauma the personal trauma of Simply being discarded in the course work is where we acquire state is 4 many of us in society today and I'd like to I'd like to see us address this issue much more risk forthrightly than we have. Did you feel that way and I'm happy to learn about it? Thank you for the call. Hello, you're on the air out of your District. I recognize that I have a concern. I was very glad when you introduced the bill on the Boundary Waters Wilderness Area. My concern is there has been talk of some compromises in the bill and I think those of us who supported the bill originally supported with the idea that there be no compromises. I'm wondering what those compromises are and where you stand. There are four issues that have Arisen in the bwca controversy that would create for The Boundary Waters canoe area for that million acre. Wilderness at the status of a true Wilderness that would mean that there would be no commercial activities. No login. No Mining and no motorized travel. Now, there are four issues one can identify that separate position which I've taken from that of Congressman over star who represents the 8th District 1 is a question of mining. The second is logging the third is motorboat used in the farthest snowmobile use now in both our bills. We prohibit mining. Respect to logging in the bill that took Congressman Oberstar introduced this year and he agreed to the protection of all of the Virgin Timber weather was in or out of the Interior zone are you know, what he he he would create a new National recreation area that he would protect the Virgin Timber but would leave as he puts it the second cut areas open to continue commercial harvesting. He now has indicated a willingness to explore the possibility banning all logging in the bwca if adequate substitute Cottage can be made available through more intensive forestry Management in state and federal lands in the area has been working very hard on this send it looks as though there may be a possibility that provide this alternative source of Timber so that We may be close to the possibility of a greenlander logging should also stop in the bwca that would leave to a motor boats and snowmobiles. Our position is a motorized you should be kept out. There are some impacts created by that some resorts would be adversely affected with our estimate is it perhaps 18 of them on the periphery would find that they are Jews were suffering a financial loss because they were unable to take fishing parties in the area is it they customarily used? That's one problem a second problem is the peripheral Lake which is partly Ian and partly out of the bwca and those likes, of course in the outer part. The motors could be used question is does it make sense to draw an imaginary line across the lake and say the past that line it's the illegal to bring Motors the main be a legal question Buddhist back to the question of federal and state jurisdiction. The state generally has authority to control the use of the waters the way the federal government controls. It generally is it that you can control what you can take across land and if you can't get into it like except by Crossing land in the Cabana Motors event. That's a second problem. The third problem is the strong feeling of the local people there that they like to be able to go up and fish host in the summer in using Motors and in the winter as well. Well that frames the issues on those last two areas motorboating and snowmobiling are hope I think the peripheral likes that will probably turn out to be sensible to make some adjustment on the resort owners. We are proposing is one alternative a voluntary buyout if the Resort owner thinks he's going to be heard even though he's not in the bwca South that we're proposing that he be able to apply to the federal government and have his land or property taken. We're also trying some other immediate of approaches one would be to take the other two million Acres that are in the Superior National Forest outside to bwca and improve their recreational use complete some of the truck snowmobile trails access to some of the lakes that are hard to reach now, but which are suitable for recreation a building campsites on those legs other words open up the rest of the spirit national forest for they kind of multiple users Recreation the type of experience to so many people like it seems to me that if we could do that if we could make a stronger case to preserve the Wilderness at character of the 1 million Acres the bwca by the subcommittee of the house interior committee. And they will be weighing the claims of those of us would like to see well in this is against those who say there have to be some adjustments. I don't know how to come out them. I think what I've said that I think they should citizens Jerry and make a judgment there. There's any other way to solve this and in that process some people say will there be a compromise reached Tooele is simply the legislative process that was one cause of the compromise or an accommodation or a decision. We will I hope you get some action and I hope it'll be as close as possible to the bill that we presented. All right. Thank you for calling from Cold Spring Minnesota. The telephone number for those of you outside. The Twin Cities area is 800-652-9700. We have another call from the Minneapolis-Saint Paul area. No, good morning around the are possible environmental pollution, which may result from a Canadian coal plants by the border. We've written the Secretary of State urging him to do whatever is possible to persuade the Canadian government not to proceed with the plan until some steps have been taken to protect to the air from significant degradation. That is the year in that area with you will move South over the bwca. Are you I can't give you an estimate now as to how much success would likely to have a couple of the problems. He refers to the provincial governments in Canada are considerably more powerful in relation to the national government in Ottawa. Then our states are in relation to Washington as I understand that there is no comprehensive. National Clean Air Act in Canada with the kinds of standards that we've adopted for the United States is so that it's the provincial government that and has considerably more say is I understand it so that in our dealings with auto all we may find the national government. They're claiming that well, they might like to help us this is really a decision by the provincial government. Well, those are some of the problems I think we need to push the Canadians very hard. There's a kind of them. Counterpart to this problem of aggregate station because in the North Dakota The Garrison diversion Water Project, which would bring water from the Missouri east across North Dakota for using irrigation would send into Canada Waters that there were considerably more heavily Laden with salts and the Canadiens have complained very strongly about this. There is a treaty that deals with this issue and it's now under study by the international Joint Commission, which is a mechanism between our two governments had to deal with this kind of a problem, but there isn't a similar treaty governing are that I'm aware of But obviously there ought to be or at least just as a matter of equity there ought to be a consideration by one government of country about what it does to a neighboring country. So I think we need to push very hard on this but I at the moment I can't give you reading some of the meetings have been taking place this month and I've been away from Washington and and is not up to date and what progress the Department of State is made. Has been formed on the Fisher. Well, I hope he has But that's a matter. I think that we will want to examine when we get back to a check with the Department of State that they did have a meeting as I understand it to a few days ago. But we we just don't have a report on it standing by and good morning to the Carter Administration and the Democrats in general. We are experiencing a growing trade deficit in a declining stock market since the Carter Administration took office. Are you at all disturbed by this? And if you are what do you think should be done about? Well, I'm disappointed with the performance of the stock market. It isn't entirely clear to me. What's responsible for one can speculate on a number of factors the uncertainty about tax reform and what that may do the uncertainty about to the energy program and its outcome certainly inflation. I has a is costing us one of the When one looks at the recovery that we're attempting to achieve from this recession of a year or so ago and compare it to the recoveries from the other recessions after World War II there to striking conclusions that one reaches first the recovering this recession is far slower than from the rest. This is the slowest recovery from any of the recession and seconded one of the major indices, which is lagging is business investment at least up until recently. I think it's picking up now, but the business has not been as anxious as you're willing or able to invest in new plant equipment is as in past the post-recession recoveries. And I think that this can be traceable least in part to the uncertainty about energy which has them off in a large component in business activities of production and also to the continuing hard core inflation, which is running at 5 or 6% Now this relates to our exports when we fail to keep our plant and equipment to modernized when we don't make this our investments it we're not able to keep the Competitive Edge which we need in this country because we pay people better than most other countries and so we have to achieve our competitiveness through increased efficiency of production. So that all of this is in a sense tied together. Well, I hope that soon the energy problem will be solved and I hope that soon the president will be coming forward Willie tax programs. What I feel the president ought to be doing however is addressing more sharply more smart Lili problem of inflation itself. This is very hard tissue do get a handle on and but I don't think the marketplace is going to is going to provide the answer is a we are building in every day guarantee that inflation will continue until there's a national policy that's targeted on the problems lately. I've been placing and we really in a sense mobilize the cooperation and support of the you National Community. I'm afraid we're going to continue to have it and it's going to continue to cause business sensor the hardship to people And I just think it's a very bad State of Affairs. Well, I should add now that the dollar floats against other currencies now that we don't try to keep a fix to relationship the export problem to certain degree should be self-correcting the dollar will tend to fall in value that will make our exports more competitive. In fact that we've had to persuade some other governments to let it fall they like to keep it up because of the examine their exports. So we need to keep the central banks from in effect reinstituting they fixed her relationships among currencies and let the marketplace settle. It's all right. I think that I don't think that the export problem is serious one as long as we can see some gradual Improvement. In fact, we have a trade surplus except for the import of oil in the car sis is a very persuasive argument why we got to cut back on the consumption of oil that destroyed by itself, isn't it involves some Decisions, you think we're not heading into another recession. I should say that I've been concerned about the parents slow down. That's developing. I'm sorry that President Carter was the $50 rebate. I think that stimulus would have helped to keep consumption up and therefore production and jobs up. I'm keenly to spotted it out of plywood stays at 7% and the car I'm sure you know that one of the realest the very heavy social cost is that much of this unemployment is concentrated among young people and especially among minority Youth and I think that's an unacceptable State of Affairs. We've got to get moving on this and then deal with it more effectively than we have. Thank you very much. Mr. Live studio. Guest today is Congressman Don Frazier from the 5th District would like to put a question to him or phone number 291-1222 in the Minneapolis-Saint Paul area and the rest of Minnesota 800-652-9700. I like to follow up just briefly on the last color a congressman. There's a trade-off of course between inflation and unemployment and you have said there oughta be a stronger attempt to get inflation under control. Are yet, you seem the same time to be arguing on behalf of government stimulation of the economy, which has helped unemployment that also adds to inflation what sort of trade-off do you think needs to be settled from there where there is a classical argument that question that if Government stimulate economic activity in the car, we're going to pay it cost and higher inflation. I think that's Argument has a substance to it as we approach lower levels of unemployment when we be when the people who are reasonably easily employed who have marketable skills are all at work. If the economy continues to be expanded at that point then I think it's fair to say they're there is an overheating of the economy and not only from as labor resources get scared, but we begin to bump up against a bottle accent productive capacity and that is inflationary at the moment. However, the figures that we get from our statisticians in the federal government. Is it industrial capacities only running at 80% e 3% of capacity another word. So there is a lot more unused capacity. And in fact ization of that unused capacity can be somewhat anti-inflationary because the incremental production that often can be at a lower unit cost. You've already got the plant there you got everything in place and if you can find Mark answer to which will justify expanded production that can be a powder inflationary. How activity but what I would argue is that we ought to move fairly aggressively to expand economic activity until plant utilization begins to move up significantly and unemployment comes down closer to 5% Then we'll want to ease up and swell their hell are put it in some recent testimony will want to start a slide-in carefully. But right now we are Fallen far short and I don't think the government stimulus it will cost in inflation if anything is preferable move the other direction. Okay, let's move on to another listener who has a question. Good morning. You're on the air position on the Senatorial race, but I'd like to know how to be on your mind that I ordered you to run for that position. Now then I am concerned to know about the status of s675 in the senator Bill that you passed in the house. Are you familiar with that number? I have trouble remembering bills by number. Can you? Brazenly invaded and his present the intent of Congress that that be implemented in the Senate. It was brought it after I passed your house if past was introduced by Senator Peterson. I said, I believe of Kansas HUD Housing and Urban Development to pay the increased. fuel fuel and Electricity bills are there government-funded buildings. Haha, you're calling now. When I now that begins to sound familiar to me for meeting some of the increased cost for the Horizon energy. Cause happening in the Senate. I guess that's not my correct. My question. I don't know what's happening in the Senate on that bill lights. I know I didn't pass at the time and I wonder if it is still there going to be held up until Congress meet again, when the House and Senate go back into session after Labor Day there be an opportunity for the Senate to take action on that bill. I just don't have it in my head now is to what the Senate is doing with it. If you dropped, this is all we could be glad to check into it will give you a full report on what we can find out about it. Okay, thank you very much for that call and take care of that question. Now. Let's move on to another color. Good morning. You're on the air with couple of comments and elicits your impressions on what I consider a potential bombshell with relationship to both you are building over scar still on the bwca. I'm sure you're aware as many other minnesotans are aware that the energy research and development Administration has been considering Minnesota along with some 36 other states for a possible location for high-level radioactive waste storage and management. Right one of the points that many people and perhaps men in Congress have made a radioactive waste disposal facility of this type must be located by federal law. Federal land. These are regulations were promulgated many years ago under ATC when we look at the northeastern Minnesota map. We notice or I notice anyway, that's about the bass bout. The federally owned land is either Superior National Forest or bwca or potentially even voyageurs National Park so that if Minnesota has to be continued if her to continue their interest in Minnesota for underground repository storage, then it seems to me that part of these areas would be withdrawn from a height of their Wilderness status who are there recreational use status and the sad part of the whole thing is that I've never seen this messenger brought up in any of the political discussions of the build and I would like to Obtained from you some of your preliminary impressions of this type of problem. Well, I haven't seen any site-specific references in connection with the study of a proposed droids area at the point you make CI is an important one I prep some. This needs to be looked at from that point of view much more carefully at there is a car since you seem to be fully aware. They destroyed itself the fact that these radioactive waste remain hazardous for many hundreds of thousands of years. and That has I think been the Principal concern but you're right and I'm sure you you are because you are obviously well informed on this that a side has to be already existing Federal and I are you sure that the federal government couldn't go out and condemned land that to the for this purpose at this is certainly possible that the government the United States could acquire by purchase or otherwise other lands, but regardless of where we look in northeastern Minnesota, we find that you know land which is preferred for other uses leastwise. I think it'd be useful for not only you and other people in the state to realize it towards the end of September the nuclear Regulatory Commission will be sending a panel of experts to the state of Minnesota to confer with State officials on a workshop cases for the develop. Of a sighting criteria for high-level radioactive waste or it and of course, it's this time, you know, we're talkin about site selection criteria in side control criteria and all the whole rest of the bag relating to environmental monitoring and control criteria and it would seem to me that at this point. It might be very useful to bring this type of aspect of the problem. Inconnect up in connection with the two bwca bills because if there should be a provision in the wilderness act or in the bwca bill, whether it's yours or over stars that would somehow relate to a Prohibition thing or a restriction on sighting of a radioactive waste storage Management Facility that this would go a long ways to solving the problem. For example, if the bwca bill of yours goes through and we then consider citing a high level of storage facility State 35 miles. We might find it within 25 or 30 years if things don't go all together, right that some of the bordering legs with Ben be seeing some of the effects of activity and saw that maybe the bills both you and mr. Roberts car sponsoring might try to develop some something that would give him guidance. I appreciate these comments. I made a note of it and I will look into the matter. Right so obviously sufficiently Park some later point and I know you're not going to be able to come up with a solid answer but leastwise. I'm happy to be able to make you aware of my concern in this area. But I appreciate it. I have made notes and will follow it up. Thank you much good. Thank you for calling we have another hello. You're on the air sometime ago into alleged Korean improprieties in this country. Are you pleased with the way the investigation is going at this point, especially considering the hiring of mr. Jaworski as a special prosecutor. Well, my impression is the the hiring of mr. Jaworski was a useful step. I had confidence mr. Lacavera, but I'd course when he encountered a disagreement with the committee or I guess more specifically with the chairman of the committee that did raise a question as to the degree of the effort that the committee was prepared it to make what is a bandage is mr. You waterski is that simply by his reputation and therefore his presence. I think that he will be in a position to The Pusher quite big was the house understand that the arrangement he has with the Ethics Committee is that he has a relatively free hand that he in the staff are unable to proceed and well, I'm sure they expect support and cooperation committee. They have a degree of Independence that is almost unprecedented. I would think at least in my service in Congress and that should help I think to reassure the public on Leslie it's very real problems that were generally aware of the information that the committee and the Department of Justice is developed in many cases is based on secondary evidence evidence through intelligence sources or from hearsay or from scraps of paper evidence that down the hole is not adequate to sustain a drug Challenger indictment and the trick will be to try to use these indications of possible miss doing and find ways to verified. I know it's at the justice department is using the tax approach with respect to some of the people they're investigating but I try to put discussion right now then because my sense is it when it's all over. Well, I think there will be some members identified is perhaps having taken one of these are you legally or improperly they will still be a kind of a ragged character to the ending of this because there will be others whose names of prep come up in one way or another but neither the committee nor the justice department been able to pin down. I think it's going to be a matter of Simply doing the very best possible. I should add that to him our committee committee. I chair the subcommittee. It has a team of 12 professional investigators, which is her looking at everything else that case you guys been doing including the question of when our government first knew of the Korean government's plan and what they did if anything at the counter it we see our investigation part is playing a kind of a supporting role Here solo. Whatever the Ethics Committee finally ends up with we can put into a broader perspective and then perhaps identify ways in which that we can protect the Integrity of our processes from intrusion by a foreign government with it some it's going to be it's not going to be an easy task. I think that's the impression I have as we wrestle with our side of it, it has to do with whether Congress can conduct yourself properly can investigate itself in there seem to be some hesitancy on the members of the members of the House Ethics Committee to pursue the investigation with the diligence that it merited. Does this concern you Well, this is been the start of the traditional reaction. That's his committee. They've always been reluctant to investigate their own members and This is supposed to weigh. It's human nature when you work and live with these people you don't like to suddenly turn into a prosecutor prosecutorial posture and relation to another colleague so often it's been outside pressure that is finally got in the Ethics Committee to act in a variety of cases. The balance that has the Essex committee has started an investigation. It seems to me that the general is they've done better than one might have thought they would the case of Congressman Sykes. They took a lot of pressure. I think common cause had a large role in persuading the house and the Ethics Committee that something had to be done. But once they proceeded they did it so it seems to me do a reasonably competent job. Have you been other cases like that? But you're right. I mean I ate that start with a view that they are reluctant. There were some additions made to the Ethics Committee recently. manga, Richardson Pryor of North Carolina at Lee Hamilton of Indiana and there was one other whose name I forgotten these are people who enjoy very high reputation in the house. I know them both personally and Pryor was a federal judge. Allie Hamilton, I serve with an international relations committee. These are people whose Integrity I think are Beyond question as much as one could hope for in the house. And so since they were added to the Ethics Committee, I've had more confidence that they would play it straightened and try to do a competent job. And so my expectation is it in specially now with your work you that they will move along but this will be an ongoing problem through the years and that's another reason why it's up to the justice department to look at any criminal activity. They at least are free from these Innovations the greatest reluctance the Dolphins are so awkward. Thank you very much of Congress by the Koreans represents the corruption of the legislative branch equal to the magnitude of a Watergate a correction of executive. Well, I think the overwhelming characteristic of Watergate wasn't the bugging of the national Democratic headquarters. That is to say head that come out at the time and I've been animation of it. It's early would have thrown a cloud over those responsible. But one that might have one might have lived with the overwhelming problems were shrouded to cover up the effort to avoid responsibility and to conceal what it happened to the role that people had in making it happen the other part of it, of course was that involved impeachment? First time in the history of the United States members of Congress have been convicted from time to time for bribery. This has been one thing cuz I'm actually a rather than a larger scale at least potentially individual cases of fluctuated widely from 5 to 100 +. And that's respected may be different than the individual bribery cases that I think I think you're right. Normally, it's just been one person or one or two people that have been caught up in some kind of malfeasance. But I find it hard to make a comparison of religious differences. Here's a legislature number members may or may not have been corrupted. My guess is it will turn out with respect to members is that if you sort of draw a line and it went and you say well here was clear outright bribery the other end simply a minor improprieties one is going to find at the activities that are identified fell along this line in between example. One of the things of creams be quite active members to come to Korea at the expense of South Korean government and get an honorary degree. Well, it's presumably all open. I always thought it was a Form of bribery but not the kind of fun things about normally I mean the payment of money it turns out now car sits the improper to accept money from another government for travel that's sort of a separate issue. There are cases of campaign contributions from Thomson Park that were fully reported and publicized in the case of one member that I know who took money from Thomson Park. He joined with me on a number of letters are highly critical of the park government. And so we're going to find all kinds of these situations and I think the Ethics Committee under a lock of eras urging has Set up some definitions of what constitutes improper conduct. They tried to elaborate the ethics code and that will prove to be useful. But as I say, I it's not going to come up as a clean-cut case the X number of members were too deeply involved and nobody else was it's going to be much less clean than that. It's your worst. He is already suggested. There's a cover-up worked as I noted that I was interested and I don't know what he was referring to. He said most of the time of course if they had Susie Park Thompson and has not been willing to testify up until now. I don't know if he was talking about the members on the Ethics Committee or the members who are Under Suspicion or some of the witnesses have been reluctant to come forward as we need to be helpful if you'd amplify that Well, let's move on to another listen who has a question. Good morning. You're on the air ride like to ask representative Fraser how much additional land on for a lake would be added to the bwca on his feel like there's any change on Fall Lake the boundaries of the bwca would remain the same now I say that because I think it was some confusion about this. I we've had this questions this question raised on other occasions are our bill would not change the boundary line. Change it anywhere else in the like app for Newburg Road going into snowbank Lake. I am when you say anywhere else, we had 35,000 acres and perhaps a dozen different sites. That is a few thousand acres here and a few hundred there in order to pick up certain pieces that seem necessary for adequate management. Generally speaking though. We follow the present boundaries of the bwca. If you have a specific question other than fall Lake and I can be confident about that because that question has arisen before if you drop us a note, we'd be glad to send you a map showing you exactly this is very small changes that we would make jelly speaking. We don't make changes. We just want to take the present bwca and and and move it into the Wilderness day. This area is a used of motorized vehicles. He would have permitted while this year's version. He would permit Timber cutting outside the Virgin Timber areas in the National recreation area. That would also be mowed about used snowmobiles and prep some airplane news. Although I must hear about the airplane use but it to your right at we would be in our part of the bill and he also creates a true Wilderness Area but it's only about two-thirds of size. Do you take out about 340,000 acres and put it into the multiple users recreation area. But in the true well in this area either the two-thirds of Congress novastar the full million Acres that we propose no motorized travel. That's that's our objectives of a person can go in there and know that after several days out in a canoe is not going to run into a 25 horse power motor or something like that. Okay. Thanks for calling. We have another listener with a question for a congressman. Good morning. You're on the air hearing when you had General Kim. Our policies and our president and he was questioned At All by the committed. He was the one who did the attacking of us it seemed to me. Well, we've been talking to General Kim for over a year. He's been very reluctant to say anything. But this year the reasons best known to himself. He decided to go public. I think in fact in the past you spout that if you were to speak out too much you might be in danger security might be in some way. Now. One of the things that he said about said in his statement is prepared statement was just concerned about the security of South Korean is concerned about the withdrawal of United States troops. Well, those are sort of large political or military security issues. And while he wanted to make his position known. In fact, I think one of the reasons he dead decided to speak out was he he wanted to express his concern and I think it's a concern the other Koreans share our interests centered on what he knew about the activities of the kcia in the United States. Now, he was not head of the Casey. I ate during the years in which our difficulties over isn't he served as head of a through the sixties I think was 1969 when he terminated the directorship, but he didn't have information from sources that he come to be familiar with as head of the KCI. He didn't have information relevant to the. We were looking into And it was on those matters that we questioned him. I believe rap song. Might have gone into his opening statement, but that's not the thrust of our investigation and perhaps in another form when the general question United States policy towards career that comes up might be useful to invite him back and then questioned about his views. Okay, we have another caller was about to three minutes left. Good morning. Now, you're on the air with lately about how the government insured student loans are not being paid back by students that have finished colleges and universities and let the rate of non-payment is quite a high. Do you have any information as to what's being done in an attempt to try and get payment back on these loans? I don't have any detailed information. I'm aware of the rising rate of delinquency and non-payment. And it's my impression that something will have something definitive will have to be done on this or these loans will be taken out with a right with increasing expectation. They won't have to be paid back that is it to be proud to be more and more students who will see that others are not paying and so they will take them with the expectation of not paying back. I should tell you that I had my first preference frankly is that we should find a way for students to go to school without having to encumber their future with these Lonesome of which got to be very large particular to go on to a professional School. We've not made that decision as National policy, but I think the way the Lawns are going unless we find more effective means of collecting them in that may be difficult. As I am not sure that it's going to be good public policy to continue the practice that were into now and that I would really prefer to it to make it possible to have higher education within the reach of of every student to it without to without this is Sergeant conferences. Okay. Thanks for calling we have time for one caller very briefly. Good morning. You're on the air. Plymouth good morning. Convenes in September. I understand the abortion question is very hot on Capitol Hill and I was wondering if you will vote for the no exceptions are federal funding of abortions that is now on. I in the Congress and if you would vote for a human life Amendment, the answer is that I will not. I have consistently supported the the right of a woman consultation with her doctor to make your own decision it within the guidelines established by the United States Supreme Court the issue looks before the Congress now, it relates to Medicaid which is comprehensive healthcare for poor people who cannot afford to pay their own medical bills. I find it difficult to accept the proposition. That we should exclude from this kind of coverage women without money who for reasons best known to them and their medical advisor believes that they need to have an abortion for us to say. Well, that's too bad. We know you're poor but you're on your own. I don't think the sound public policy and in the way is almost separate from the overall question of whether abortion should be permitted but the single out for women and say that is not available to you, even though we otherwise prepared to provide a Comprehensive Health Coverage. I simply am unable to defend in the end. I will not do it that way. Thank you very much congressmen. We run out of time or I guess today Congressman Don freezer from Minneapolis the 5th District in Minnesota. The time now is 11 and these are the network stations of Minnesota Public Radio.