With news from Minnesota Public Radio. I'm going to Cunningham lawmakers will make a final decision until tomorrow, but it looks as if many of Governor Ventura is line item veto may stick legislators gave themselves one day to come back and override any of Interest Vito's if he rejected their major bills the governor use his line item authority to cut only about 12 million dollars out of what legislators approved last year spent or used to pick stamp DeVito about 140 million dollars in spending Republican representative. Dan McElroy oil says it's easier to accept the Vito's this year. They saw that there isn't an aspect of relationship to government and that the pig stamp was a bad idea and the pig stamp. I hope there was a ceremonial burning. It has least perhaps been signed to someone's tribox. 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There's a chance for showers in the Northeast this afternoon highs ranging from 68 to 78 degrees right now in the Twin Cities or 4 to partly cloudy skies a temperature of 54 that's a news update on credit Cunningham programming on NPR is supported by Ecolab dedicated to improving cleaning and sanitation standards for leading Hospitality Healthcare and food-processing customers worldwide on the web at 8.web.com 6 minutes now past 11 And good morning. Welcome to mid-day on Minnesota Public Radio. I'm Gary Acton. Glad you could join us Governor. Jesse Ventura got out his veto pin yesterday, but he really didn't use it very much. The governor has signed into law all of the major bills passed by the legislature last week now, he did use his line item veto Authority. But even there he didn't Beto too many projects striking just $11 in spending programs last year. He upset legislators by issuing 40 line-item vetoes this year. He deleted fewer than a dozen but some legislators are up something in the last they charge at the governor has essentially turned his back on the Arts in the state of Minnesota specifically, they're upset with the governor's decision to veto at $3000000 appropriation. That was supposed to help the Guthrie Theater pay for its new 75 million dollar home on the Mississippi River in Minneapolis and also a veto of a million dollars for a new art center in Lanesboro, Minnesota and Southeastern It's unclear today weather legislators will try to override those Vito's when they reconvene tomorrow or today on midday during this first hour. We're going to take a closer look at the governor's veto laws, and the state's role if any and supporting the Arts. We've been joined here in the studio by Larry Redmond to his longtime lobbyist for the Minnesota citizens for the Arts. And as always we invite you to join our conversation. If you have a question or comment about the state's role in helping Arts and Cultural organizations pay for capital projects. Give us a call here are Twin City number is 651-227-6065 1227 6000 if you're calling from outside the Twin Cities, you can reach us toll-free, and that number is 1 800 +242-282-865-1227 6000 or 1 800-242-2828. Turn out to begin Governor Ben Torres communications director. John Woodley has joined us morning as to where they can you just give us a quick overview here. First of all, why did the governor decide to be told the Guthrie request? Well, the governor had said, you know early on in the session will actually before the session that he felt at the Guthrie. First of all, it's not that the proposal was not far enough along yet that he felt that there should be more of a commitment from the local community in the end end from the film Tropic Community to but the bottom line is is that the state has not Had a history of funding capital projects for the Arts the state through the state Arts board has and does continue to fun art projects specific artist and specific projects that within the Arts Community but not capital project not buildings. And that's the reason that he vetoed Botha Guthrie and the capital request for a building in Lanesboro for Arts and Heritage Community Center. Now Senator Cohen Richard Cohen said that that's not true that the state is come up with money for cultural institutions such as the science museum Children's Museum that this in fact would not have set a precedent. I understand the science museum is much more of an educational institution then it is an Arts Institution. Now it is if memory serves me right few months ago. The governor was quoted as saying something to the effect that gosh we're going to get into the business of a funding the Arts projects in Minnesota. Why not the fun? NASCAR stock car races to is that in my memory, correct? Exactly. Right? And I believe that was a direct at least go to the governors and it is one of those things where if you fun the Arts Center in Lanesboro or the Guthrie Theater in Minneapolis. Where do you stop then? Do we do we find buildings for every Community Theater in every region of the state? That's probably forty miles of bad Road terms of government policy. What about these projects though? That seemed to have statewide significance of the Guthrie is often thought of as a Statewide institution National Institution for that matter, wasn't that Somehow be fall into a different category when you have a institution such as the Guthrie. Yes. It is a nonprofit organization, but it does have funding sources other than taxpayers cultural institutions have proven that they can exist and Thrive as a matter of fact as the Guthrie has through contributions from the community and through ticket sales and sponsorships. And actually they do get State money occasionally for individuals with specific projects that they do Artistic Endeavors, and we think that's a good system A system that works and that if we now got into the business of financing Then selling bonds for Capital Pride for buildings for the Arts around the state of Minnesota. I don't know where it would and then I think that was the governor's concern. What about the idea of the state that needs to get involved in some of these projects and on a partnership basis not that the state of Minnesota would pay all of the funding for sale anuel Guthrie Theater, but since it's a Statewide program and so on it up some significance that devastate Auto help out here in about it that week we could and I'll rub people, you know, might believe that that would be a good thing for the state to do. They might believe that it would be a good thing for the state to build stadiums in various communities around the state where there's amateur baseball where these these the baseball players that are considered their they're playing of truck. Stop and art. I mean you work. Where is it going to end? Do we build community centers? Do we build recreation centers? Do we build swimming pools in communities where people come from all over the region to bring their kids to the swimming pool sometimes local communities. Just have a responsibility to do those things on their own in the government believes that this is one of those responsibilities. Okay. Thanks for joining us communications director joining us now, by phone is Joe Dowling who is the artistic director of the Guthrie Theater, and as we noted earlier, Larry Redmond is with us here in the studio with longtime lobbyist for the Minnesota citizens for the Arts. And again, we invite you to join our conversation. Give us a call here. 651-227-6006 51227 6000 outside the Twin Cities one 800-242-2828. We're talking about the estate. Rolling eye helping pay for Arts projects here in the state of Minnesota darling. Thanks for joining us today. You are you had originally hoped to get about 25 million dollars and state assistance. Eventually got scaled all the way back to 3 million. So is this truly a big setback for the Guthrie? I think it's a setback certainly and not just for the Guthrie, but obviously when all the Arts projects RVs out, it's a setback for the Arts in Minnesota. And for what the hell is that the same thing that it makes about the the the role of the Arts in the place of of the Arts in the in our community, and yes, we have to create a new theater on the river to create a new facility. That will be both. Great controversy has he will cost three times. And we wanted to make a statement that the and involvement of the stage would make a significant impact snout. How's the the bonding bill went on and it became clear that that was not going to happen. We were Vape Rachel at the end of the day to be included in the bonding build. We saw that level two centers and then ultimate to the conference committee and virtue in in in our proposal and solve the value of an investment in infrastructure. And so we're obviously the governor's veto you recorded in the Star Tribune is saying that these Vito's set a dangerous precedent president rather for Arts organizations all across the state. What did you mean by that what I think it was president when it is almost exclusively the Arts projects that have been vetoed out. I'm in Lanesboro has a very valid projects as well as I had made its case. Cheerlead, that's an investment by the stays in the infrastructure Z in the long term for the quality of life in this community. And those things are bees are dogs and and a normal saline and the arts project Vida. It has to create a signal to Arts organizations that this governor and does not see the Arts of the vital part of the infrastructure of the states and soul in the longer-term. It's not simply a measure of the three million for us or the median for Lanesboro the money for the children's museum at that's an issue but rather whether or not at this stage, which has been traditionally end and over many years has been a strong supporter of the Arts into the last Governor double. Something and I attended the event in the children's theater Wednesday at we're going to cost and spoke incredibly moving lie about the yard cement to him as a young man into his father as in the name of this country and how important it That's not only did the r stand for it's it's it's it's funding on private sources, but also that the stays as as representatives of the people identify the artist play sand as a part of its community that the quality of life was in which to buy the Arts when it's a change of policy. Now if in fact in this particular Governor's 10-year quitting told the Arts have no place in our community for the governor of Representatives to argue that the state should not fund capital projects has is a change the gun there that the state has funded the Jungle Theater that funded the Hopkins Center for the Arts the Paramount Theater in Saint Cloud for we opened Midsummer Night's Dream in late February the wounded Felicity there. We could not have brought that particular Project true that Community unless the states had helped to fund that and so many of these projects in the past. Major 1 the science museum in in in all of these have been part and parcel of the infrastructure of this state that gives them the next to the rest of the word that the damn Minnesota believes that the Arts are fundamentally important part of quality of life and for it now to be changed but we're saying we're being told no don't depend on private funding it it it it it is a significant change in one that I think we all should be allergic to no problem with the governor having a country view to mine, which is that the the Arts are essential to our society and if we do not from the Arts we have we are in great danger of losing a vital part of our society, but I do have a problem with the idea that they aren't important enough to the state to be involved Larry Redmond. Would you agree that these beetles represent a major? Esophageal shift. I think it's I think it's a I don't know if it's a major philosophical the shift but it's certainly something going in the wrong direction. I I think it's the first time that you know, we're heartened by the fact that that despite the speedo message Governor Ventura has is verbally through a staffing others affirmed their support of things like the state Arts board in the operating funds that are so very important. These Hearts organization is Gary that's that's good news. However, the state has had a history of supporting cultural organizations as Mr. Dowling has is so articulately Express that is a shift in policy or it is Lisa singling out of the Arts portion of the cultural agenda cultural facilities, if that's the case that I and I think that is I think that is a significant problem, you know, but beyond just when we talked about cultural institutions Beyond Arts, what is the science museum or or the children's? Cm of these these various facilities are so very very important to to our total Community make up our state's Community make up the state has had a long history in building parks in supporting Parks weather there state parks or providing additional financial help for local parks. We have an expansive program called Mighty Ducks, which is a terrific program where the state provides money to help local communities build the sheets of ice so that they'll be more available skating time for 2 adults and children that you are saved. This is a good program. It's the necessary activity for people likewise in terms of the world of professional sports the state appropriated just a year-and-a-half ago two years ago. I think over 60 million dollars to help build a new professional hockey arena for a for-profit business or hockey hockey team likewise, the state facilitated the financing of a very substantial financing. 10 years ago or so at the Metrodome for the twins in the Vikings that in today's dollars would be well over a hundred billion dollars. I believe was 55 at the time but putting that in today's dollars be well beyond that number and of course the state has an ongoing commitment to pay for part of the cost of the Target Center. I think these are all good decisions. The recreational needs of our people need to be addressed why the Arts should be treated differently than the science museum the Children's Museum the amateur sports arena for the professional sports Arenas. I don't understand that. I that I think that there's there's a misguided judgment. But if we given the fact we're talking about nonprofit organizations to of course is on the line from Plymouth with a question or, co-head J. I know six to eight months. We heard an argument that we needed to raise funds for an organization that would keep us within the first year of urban areas for an organization. That was Statewide identifiable something that was part of our community to improve the quality of life here in our metropolitan area and throughout the state something that the people arguing for said was not a lot of money in the larger scope of things would renew the neighborhood wherever the new facility was built and would bring more employment and Ansel Jolla Community decided that that organization which happened to be a new Major League Baseball Stadium did not need to be built that granted. Well, it is a 4in fabric of our community. Was it important for the state to be funding Capital Improvements for these things and maybe Arts is even a little more touch year than a baseball stadium is a statement fun to building of which type of art that occurs inside is not always something that the state would approve of so it seems to me that they're the same argument that was made in the actually voted down by the citizens at least in the community of Saint Paul is the exact same argument made for the Guthrie Theater and if baseball couldn't justify the economic impacts and benefits to the community, I can't see where a theater could I do? I'd like to believe that art are valuable part of our community but something on the scale of the Guthrie Theater if there is Improvement is that much needed and they have two vital to our community the larger scope that they have with those type of patrons that they have within their Community. This is certainly something if those people feel strongly enough that there is no reason why that shouldn't be able to either to support itself through its patronage and or attendants inventions that it seems to be the same argument for baseball all over again. Yes, I do. I think the Ozarks vs. Sportster gauges someone shoot 11 dates by the state fair today be at in sports are on another recreational activities. I'm a very important project and is Major business and and Is this it? It is a for-profit Enterprise it by its very nature and we will not charge the sort of price. If we were to Simply use our admission charges to be the way of to an have the number of students who come here on subsidized tickets. We could not afford to have the price is kept at the lowest region of the country without trees prices and are in fact the lowest they're funded and subsidized in large measure Bye Bye Bye by private funds by corporations by foundations by individuals as if we continue to be this project, which will in fact, I totally cannot make impact 5 million in a part of Minneapolis. Urban renewal this particular project in large measure be funded by private individuals and by corporations and by foundations, the fundamental issue is due the Arts Masters efficiency efficiency for the state to be involved in end to make a statement about the quality of life in in in in the region and I and I have no problem whatsoever with the idea of Sportsman's found it but I do think that you think I like the Arts in particular to single-a theaters that are providing both and artistic on an educational services is to make a statement that has not repaid. Like you said, it's going in the wrong direction by Joe darling. If you believe the Star Tribune Minnesota poll that was published back in March Jay is not alone in his questioning of this and perhaps. The governor is on the on the side of the majority of people here 57% said they oppose spending a state money on on the Guthrie project 43% Claim that they were strongly opposed to it, which is pretty high figure. Why do you suppose there is so much late and opposition to this question about expenditure and you'll probably get the same answer you could certainly get the same answer about expenditure in higher education in the University's but but in spite of those poles, we still made sufficiently strong arguments to the legislature that in the conference committee. It was felt important to make a statement to the tune of three million capital expenditure will always at I can J makes very good point when he says the state Mayweather not approve of once in this particular facilities and always be and at The Cutting Edge the Arts would always be seen as something that people either Embrace fully And and we have a case to make and we have an argument to make in terms of the the overall value of this project to the community particularly and its educational interest and I think the timer. Old was taken that was a time of a tree we were beginning to make that case and we were made with continue to make us and we've had a tremendous response to be gone. As long as you say you can spank of those poles in spite of the opposition. We we we did manage to persuade her to offer that money. So I think that there's a balance to be hot here between what is current public opinion once we start to make the argument about education about the tourism without eating them and I'll make impact people's views shift on these things Joe darling. I know you have to run but one last question for you before you before you leave us. Can you build this new theater without government assistance? Well, that's something that we're going to have to examine. We certainly feel very strongly that we a partnership with. The stage is an important statement for us and opossum the Practical matter of Finance. We do need the City of Minneapolis to be involved which they have been and we do need to stay to be involved. This is a Statewide institution International institution. It's an institution that has brought tremendous benefit to the cultural and economic life of this community. Ultimately State funding is it is an issue that we're going to have to look at we we we don't intend to give up this fight. We believe very strongly the father of rain here and isn't into structure for the Futures bills, both domestic and Educational Tours in value into at the City of Minneapolis am going to continue and we hope genuinely hope that the legislators will over But we certainly intend to continue to try and develop a partnership with the state to create a theater and that will bring this particular at Region back into the front of the African an artistic activity in in the in the country, and we we we don't intend to give up. Thank you Joe. Appreciate it. Talk to you tomorrow. Mid-day program. Larry. 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This hour we're talking about to the state's role if any in funding Arts projects in the state of Minnesota court yesterday, the governor line item veto a couple of projects that were contained in the state bonding bail, and they have those line item veto laws of cause some controversy $3000000, but the Guthrie Theater Guthrie wants to build a new theater on the Mississippi Riverfront in Minneapolis. Also a million dollars for a new art center in Lanesboro in Southeastern, Minnesota. Larry. Redman is join us a lobbyist for the Minnesota citizens for the Arts. And again, if you have a question or comment about the state's role in funding Arts projects, give us a call 651-227-6000 or one 800-242-2828. Larry Redmon, is it accurate to from your Viewpoint to say that the Governor Ventura is Auntie Arts opposed Arts. I guess I wouldn't be prepared to say that by name in Seattle at last year the state worked on its operating budget and the governor recommended full funding for our regional Arts consoles that serve small large groups throughout all of Minnesota as well as the significance or sport for the state Arts board, which one's the number of protons for individual artists and of course provides programs for a larger organizations in the state. So I'm not I'm not prepared to take that position in regards to Governor Ventura at this point, but I but I do think and with all due respect to the governor in his in his veto message pacifically when he talked about the Guthrie, he's he said that he believed and I quote that additional policy discussions should be taken place before establishing a commitment by the state to buy the state. How to find Arch Capital request I look at that as the door open the discuss this issue more with him in the future in his administration, but with all the respect the governor, I think there has been an enormous amount of discussion about this over the years and thoughtful discussion and actually a significant amount of restraint and perhaps the governor's just not as aware of that as well as we need to make him. So I think we need to do some work there this legislature actually did some sorting out there were a number of capital projects requested by some very fine arts organizations and frankly were disappointed that those were funded nearest me to put the legislature actually did say no to a number of these projects for a variety of reasons, but in these two particular case is Lanesboro and the Guthrie they said because of their educational component because of the Outreach that they have to the whole of the state that some participation by the state was important and I I die. I think that that The Liberation has been so def Cancel apps on the line high can your comment place to explain why the state should not subsidize the baseball stadium for the twins in several people have asked me about subsidy for the Guthrie. I'd like to make a Four Points. First of all has an economist. I have to ask how much how much theater does one market need. I I know that we have very many theaters per capita in the Twin Cities. And the question is how much can one market support secondly the actions of legislature in the kid that there is a limited amount of funds for bonding my own institution of State University metrostate got zero money for the library request in St. Paul and zero money towards 1.4 million. We ask for planning funds so we can finally get a building in Downtown Minneapolis. Here's a stye. Institution getting zero money thirdly, I agree with a governor that funding for the Arts needs to be prioritized. Why should we fund the Guthrie and not other institutions? I think that a panel or some sort of dialogue needs to be developed so that the state has priorities as to what is funded not simply fun one organization instead of another lastly. I think it has to be said that the Guthrie hurt itself dramatically by refusing an offer from the City of Minneapolis for land on Hennepin Avenue for their new theater the Guthrie board for whatever reasons didn't want to be right downtown it refused that land and therefore demanded a space by the river which wound up costing the Guthrie more money. Now, there's no reason for the state to to provide money for an institution that axle Rocket league as to refuse an offer of land from the City of Minneapolis. Thanks for your comments. Larry Redmond care to respond at the hands that made about this site selection because Governor Ventura in fact commented about this again a couple of months ago saying that he thought it was a lie dust for the Guthrie to want to build a new stator on the Mississippi River Site when there's a perfectly good place right down there and blocky that the city's been wrestling with forever trying to find a find something to put on blocky. Well, first of all, the legislative deliberations, I don't think the issue of location was was a specific question that the legislature was wrestling with but it should be noted that my recollection is that the guy that we initially wanted to stay in their same neighborhood because I think they believed that there was some Synergy in terms of the Arts campus. That was there. There were some difficulties though in terms of being able to do that. I in regards to other uses of Parkland that was there that the public officials the purport of six or deemed were Uber vehicle important to have you protected the City of Minneapolis never offered that site as I recall. In fact, my recollection about they have at the Hennepin Avenue site is that the city has existing relationships with certain developers and commitments to those Developers for that site. So I my recollection is a while there may have been some public discussion about that. I don't think so exactly right that the city offered that site. I'm not sure that that was pitifully available but I think it's a little unfair to the Guthrie to say that it was arrogant that it didn't want to do that. First of all, I don't know that it was offered a second of all the Guthrie has to sit back like every organization has two and think about where it's locations going to be best served its particular purpose, but but but frankly, I don't think you're that the issues facing us today or is fate you the state regards is goo material. Those legislators deliberations had to do with that all bo3 maps important, but never the last sub issue in the in the question here. It's it's really a matter of you know, whether or not the States, play some raw. It wasn't just the Guthrie. That was vetoed. Lanesboro Arts Center was also be. And that's that's a pretty significant Institution for of all of us in the state. What about mistress app suggestion that I suppose some Arts commission or whatever would would prioritize these things and make internal decisions about well, we would probably do have enough theaters or we have enough of this are we don't have enough of these over here and so given the fact that there is a pie is only so big we will make our recommendations internally as to you know, that the relative importance of these is an idea like that may have some Merit actually and they're there has been some discussion about doing that. There are number of states that are are setting up programmes kind of along that line, right? I believe Delaware in Connecticut are are trying to set something up like that. I believe it there at one point during the legislative discussion. I can't remember who I think I might have been Senator Mel, but I'm not certain that suggested maybe even revisiting it a discussion that have been held by the state building commission or or something to live that life. But I think we would be doing a disservice to the discussion. If we didn't point out that the legislature does deliberate rather significantly out what these priorities are. There were Gary. I think there was somewhere near a billion and 1/2 request for Capital bundeena spell Capital funding this year and of course far less than half of that was funded the legislature came in and made some very tough funding decisions are both in the areas of higher education in regards to the state mechanism itself Parks cultural institutions were discussing today criminal issues have to do with criminal apprehension. The entire legislative process really is a priority making system. So this is the I think it's not fair to say that there isn't pretty serious discussion along the idea along the lines of setting priorities Greg your question, please that's the the Arthur are extremely important culturally because the Arts are what bring us along developmentally as a culture. Secondly, I think there is an inherent danger in governmental funding of of the Arts because of some inherent control issues. We certainly been aware of art projects of that have caused a lot of upheaval in Washington and and the threat of pulling funds because of particular Arts projects and I think that's artistic freedom is it is extremely important to our culture and our in our development and anytime you have governmental involvement in that there is some inherent danger and losing that freedom. Thanks, Greg, Larry it will Redmond would it be better for Arts organizations to get by without any government money for that? Very reason. I think it'd be better for everyone in the world get by without without government money Gary odd that that that's terrific idea. I know I'd say, you know, but but the reality in our world is that we have Healthcare systems that have to be provided for we have our roads that have to be built. We have schools that have to be funded and we also have cultural institutions that that the service that also have to be dealt with. You know, I think there's something that we lose so much so much focus on so little money in regards to these Arts organizations. Can you imagine Gary if we were to somebody words will come along a hundred and fifty years ago in Minnesota and said tell you what we'll do we will we will basically built all of your schools and we will except for maybe about 10% of the class. I want you to throw that and we will fund the operating cost for your teacher salaries in for the equipment in for the books all of that except for maybe 6% of that will pay for all of that. All you have to do is Pony up that small amount of money. I think what a deal that would have been for us what has happened with the Arts organizations is the private Community has put in the overwhelmingly the overwhelming Lion's Share of this still and they continue to do that in the Guthrie Theater. I'm like the athletic facilities. And by the way, I am not one who draws to cottam is it said before between this I think all the recreational activities are important, but in the case the Athletic Facility Chicopee, the professional was we ask the government to either facilitate through user fees or actually to contribute 60 to 100% of the financing of those facilities. All these nonprofit Arts organizations are asking to use in the case of the ones who can show that they have a Statewide importance is to put it on, you know, 10 the fee. 18% of whatever the number shows their Capital costs and other operating side of the long-standing physician Minnesota citizens for the Arts has had to ask the state to put in about 10 right now. It's about 6% We're asking for just some small Collective contribution from the state to do this activity. I think that's quite a good deal. Especially given the fact that when you look at an organization like the commonweal theater in Lanesboro, they they have students. They have over eight thousand students in a community of 900 people. They're using that theater right now. There are something like thirty thousand people in a community again at nine hundred people who goes to that theater every year. That's that's quite a phenomenon. This little town is able to create a theater that draws people from throughout this entire State and in fact this region in this country to come down and see that theater, they're out providing opportunities for the students in that area. They have various problems with colleges in the area any number of problems that they don't get mad. That that that would not be there. But for that that theaters doing is very good work in the case of the Guthrie. They're equally I'm out there doing that same same sort of activity. They have 94000 students that go to the Guthrie ever yearn course hundreds and hundreds of thousands of people. I happen to be out in California. This is last weekend. I was meeting with a variety of business people at dinner one night. One of the person who makes very substantial Investments and project said Larry, you're a strong Minnesota. Tell me why what what is it about Minnesota that would cause me to want to invest in the state. We talked about a variety we talked about the higher education of the workforce. We talked about the fact that people show up for work on time which is which is a significant thing by the way, that makes us distinct. Yeah in many ways. But but this particular investor said, you know, one of the things that gets my attention he says I always hear about this cultural Community I hear about this is extraordinary kind of Arts activity that you have in the state that makes me think that there Do something kind of special going on out there this our Arts activity for the small amount of money. We ask the state to put into it. It is part of our calling card in the world if you travel in Europe if we have representatives of 3M or ten Corporation or any of our other large corporations in the state if they're traveling in Europe trying to advance our economic interest in this state and somebody from Belgium says will where is Minnesota? What would the likelihood that they're going to mention the Guthrie Theater as a way of identifying what goes on is very very great that gives a special special kind of love off of a Prestige to us that's important at the same time with us that it's also educating our children for buying recreational activities for all of us Martin your question, please yes, I'm calling from just South of the Border in Iowa and I just want to make a couple of points about the draw that place is like Lanesboro. And the Guthrie make the people from Iowa. It's kind of interesting to me to observe the present-day debate in our own State about whether we should Advance State money for a performance art centers and things even like rain for us so that we can have that he can have a face that he can have a contraction that will cause people to stop Interstate as they go through the Interstate 80 now, I am presently supporting both Lanesboro theater and the Guthrie Theater and I make three or four trips a year to the Guthrie Theater in 5 or 6 to Lanesboro each time. I go to Minneapolis. I spend a weekend. I stay at hotels and restaurants all that you're simply testimony for the fact that this is a widely cast net and bring a lot of money into your state. I was thinking of one individual but I if I look at my friends in the town of dekorra there a lot of people who make that as part of their Regular activities and I don't know what the government is aware of the fact that this is a real draw and Minneapolis and Minnesota are magnets for people who are interested in the Arts and the sea that those hopes dashed and those Enterprises quashed is very depressing to me. All right, thank you Martin. Thanks for your comment. Larry Redmon died at the beginning of the program Governor. Ventura is communications director John Whatley noted that there are lots of people apparently like Martin who are Avid supporters of the Guthrie and presumably the lanesborough Seder is why should be no problem whatsoever raising the amount of money needed to get these facilities bill because people do care about them in there their they're interested in so given the states needs to to hold down spending given other priorities of feeding children building affordable house. Sing the rest. This clearly would be one of those things that could be. Well somebody else could do it frankly. Well, of course that same argument could be used for why we shouldn't provide money for ice sheets for hockey throughout the state. I don't happen to agree with that that same argument could be used for why maybe we ought to shave a little bit of money more off of teacher salaries because we have money. I certainly don't agree with that. I don't think most Minnesota's what you know, we can take that rhetorical argument and use it against everything clearly the legislature and the governor needs to make priorities money is a finite resource and we need to be very very careful about it. But I think we need to look very we need to look both into our hearts and terms of what what what what what makes Minnesota wonderful place to live. I think we also have to look at the Hard economic questions asked what attracts are very good people like Martin come up from Ayo and spend some of that I that I learned money in Minnesota. That's not a bad thing the governor just recently. Made a trip down the Chicago Illinois and he went through throughout the city of the windy city and told folks about how Minnesota was a great place to come to. Well. I I think if you look at the tourist information in Chicago's an important, Illinois Marcus an important market for us that part of the attraction for people to come here from whether it's a Wither in Chicago or whether it's people like Martin in Iowa or whether it's New York or San Francisco or whether it's wear whatever might be is that there's a variety of activity here from fishing to retail. Obviously. The Mall of America is an attraction to trust people but there's our fishing activity. The governor was at the fishing opener this weekend making sure to tout as well. He should I think the the important resources that the to the game and fish provide by the way, the state appropriates money in regards to those activities also hear that but also part of this is a people come to go to the lanesborough theater they come and go to the Guthrie they come Saint Paul chamber orchestra, they come to see the Jungle Theater. They come to Duluth to see the ballet and Duluth. They go to New York Mills to see their magnificent Arts Center. This is part of our grind cart. This is part of the product when the governor goes to Chicago and tells people to come here. This is part of the product and the state. I think the argument here is not at the state pick up the whole tab. But the state add some components some modest component to this cost so that we can have a world-class facility so that we've got the kind of quality that does make that economic reality continue for our state make a strong argument. Why do you suppose the governor didn't buy it or didn't you hear that argument again. You know in the I find the governor's veto message as I mentioned before quite interesting it in in the case of lanesborough. He specifically said that he he put it in a group of these heaux some of them. Which were not our staff activity actually in the in the case of lanesborough it where he said that local or private funding was more appropriate and yet Gary as any in your listeners can't see this but here is The Binding belt and as I looked through the bonnybill I see I see all kinds of local money in here and I see a variety of a variety of different things that he didn't eat all for that reason out perhaps with some political reason that those were in feet or perhaps there's just something about that the governor understands the mirror to those programmes. I don't want to be critical of those cuz I'm sure that those are thoughtful in regards to the Guthrie. He drew a somewhat different distinction where we talked about private funny, but he again as I said before he said that additional policy discussions need to take place, of course given the outcome of the veto here that's of course through but it but I've still have hopes that that the governor will ultimately c i and I hope the legislature will overrides vetoes, but I hope that in the future the governor will see that this is worthwhile than edit. This makes cash. Registries ring in Minnesota and it helps our children and helps our population. You think the house will allow house and it will take these Vito's up tomorrow speaker swag and seems to indicate that probably not I don't know what I have. I'm not had a chance today to talk with leadership. So I don't know what the exact plan I'll all I can say is that is that I hope they do Larry Rodman. Thank you for coming in today. Appreciate it. Glad to be her carry lobbyist for the Minnesota citizens for the Arts joining us during this first hour of our mid-day program to talk about the governor's Vito's line-item vetoes yesterday not very many of them. But the other were couple that have raised some eyebrows specifically a veto of a 3 million-dollar appropriation for the Guthrie Theater and a billion-dollar Corporation of the Arts Center in Lanesboro. This is midday coming to you on Minnesota Public Radio. I'm no atoms proponents of a radiating food say it's a sure way to protect against foodborne illness like E coli poisoning, but a radiation has generated heated debate at many grocery chains are cautious about offering the products. We don't want to be first. We we want to be on The Cutting Edge, but not on the bleeding edge food irradiation and the day's news later on NPR's All Things Considered. All Things Considered begins at 3 each afternoon here on Minnesota Public Radio And curiously Writer's Almanac for Tuesday. It's the 16th of May. 2019 56 Alfred Hitchcock's movie The Man Who Knew Too Much starring James Stewart and Doris Day was released in New York City was the only movie that Hitchcock every chose to make twice. He done a British version 22 years before starring Peter Lorre. It's the best day of mathematician Roy pekar Golden Corral New Zealand 1934 who described massive rotating black holes in space different from and coexisting with the mini black holes of Stephen Hawking the first black hole Theory came out of 1916 soon after Einstein's general relativity Theory which saw black holes has static and non-rotating. It's the birthday of poet Adrienne Rich born in Baltimore 1929. She was already writing brilliant poems when she was very young student at Radcliffe. She wrote poems at first for her father. Who was the Doctor Who criticized and praised her and made her feel that she was special. She married had three sons before she was Thirty but in the sixties, she jolted menu for readers by publishing more experimental verse with more political and feminist themes and by 1986 was calling herself a radical feminist and a lesbian or books included diving into the wreck dark fields of the Republic at midnight Salvage. It's the birthday of Studs Terkel Louis Turco born in the Bronx New York 1912 family moved to Chicago when he was 11 his mother ran a hotel on the Northside. He got into theater became an actor in radio soap operas playing gangsters working radio is a news analyst in sports reporter disc jockey and then as an interviewer the 9000 interviews he conducted resulted in his series of oral history books Division Street America hard times in oral history the Great Depression working and the good War. It's the birthday of the English novel CH Ebates in Rushton Northampton share in 1905. Best known for the darling buds of May about the Larkin family. It's the birthday of historian Douglas Southall Freeman born in Lynchburg, Virginia 1886 grew up in Richmond the capital of the old Confederacy. So I frequent reunions of Confederate Veterans and funerals of Confederate leaders and became the biography of Robert E. Lee a four-volume biography and a seven-volume biography of George, Washington. It was on the stand 1836 Edgar Allan Poe married his cousin Virginia clemm. He was 27 years old. She was 13. She suffered from tuberculosis and died 11 years later. It was on this day in 1763 James Boswell met Samuel Johnson for the first time in the back parlor of Tom Davies is book shop in London Boswell head. Look forward to meeting the great man for a great long time, but was aware of his prejudices and introduced himself by saying I do indeed come from Scotland. Sorry, but I cannot help it. Here's a poem for today by Irving Feldman entitled testing the waters. Day long and then in dreams just testing the waters house Swift sweet thick the course of things how cool consistent various and what the current Bears were bypasses so that we can go on and on In The Swim and still be staunch and other than this flowing not carried away. Left behind. Irving Feldman spawn testing the waters from beautiful false things published by Grove press and used by permission here on The Writer's Almanac for Tuesday, May 16th made possible by 21 North Main. Com for Book Lovers find more than 10 million used rare and antiquarian books on the web at 21 North Main. Com be well do good work and keep in touch. Regional broadcast of The Writer's Almanac are supported by market manx your community bank offering a broad range of financial services for your business and personal needs. This is midday come and get you on Minnesota Public Radio news headlines are next and then right after the news we're going to hear from science fiction writer Ray Bradbury right after the news. Listen this week for seeding the future a series of stories from NPR news on the rapid spread of genetically engineered Foods the series continues each afternoon at 5:50 and all things considered here on Minnesota Public Radio. You're listening to Minnesota Public Radio. We have a cloudy sky 54° at Contra W FM 91.1 Minneapolis. And st. Paul got a chance for some drizzle through the afternoon with a high about where it is, maybe getting a little warmer Cloudy with a chance of rain late tonight with a low in the low 50s tomorrow showers, maybe a thundershower with a high 6265.