Thank you Gratis, six minutes now past 11. And good morning. Welcome to mid-day on this election Eve here on Minnesota Public Radio. I'm very active glad you could join us. Well, the polls really couldn't be much closer. It has turned out to be one of the most interesting and Lively campaign for governor in a long long time. And tomorrow is decision day here in the state of Minnesota with borders going to the polls to decide just who was going to be the next governor of the state of Minnesota course, there are lots of other decisions promoters to make as well tomorrow and today on this eve of the election. We're going to take one last look at the race for governor and many of those other contests as well during a special 2-hour edition of midday will be talking with all three major party candidates for Governor. They'll be checking in from the campaign Trail will be talking with the candidates for attorney general another closely-watched raised here in Minnesota. And we've been going to hear in the studio by analysts Time Warner service taysom Dean Barclay, they'll be here to share their thoughts on the candidates and campaigns. Add to take your questions as well. All of that is coming up during this special election Eve edition of midday, but first of all, let's find out what the candidates for Governor have been up to Reform Party count. Jesse Ventura has been spending his morning trolling for votes in northeastern Minnesota March exactly join just now from the range weather report on the Ventura drive for victory. I Mark campaign of a couple of Arby's in a few cars will be leaving the Iron Range a very shortly up for Duluth where he has a rally planned Jesse Ventura started very early this morning here on the Iron Range meeting workers and breeding workers just after 6 a.m. At the entrance to the men's hack plants up here near Virginia. You didn't spend some time at a k through 12 Elementary School in the town of cherry, and he was also over at the Hibbing Community College where I rather than running into Ventura support as he ran into a group of Humphrey Mo supporters. It were worth are waiting for him and they confronted him. Now taking a tour of the men pack plants that he has a great employees at earlier this morning. And as I said, he's on his way to Duluth or rally there. Then he will make his way back for the Twin Cities stopping likely and towns along the way and he will I kept his campaign with a rally tonight at the Medina Ballroom. So Gary, that's the Ventura campaign. All right. Thank you Mark Feller. Skip Humphrey has been campaigning in Moorhead this morning in Minnesota public radio's. Hope Deutscher joins us with that story. Well hell. Sounds like we're having some technical difficulties. We all that check in with hope in just a couple of minutes. But meanwhile, let's see, let's go off to Martin Koski who is tracking the norm Coleman campaign. Yeah. I've been with the norm Coleman this morning mayor Coleman kicked off the last day of his campaign tour the last day of the trail here back home in St. Paul at the party headquarters. He was going there by the entire Republican party ticket everybody from a G2 Treasurer candidates for all those offices and he says win or lose he believes he's won the debate over the message of this campaign. He says his opponents whether or not they win. They certainly adopted his message of cutting taxes and shrinking government and he says no matter what he feels. There's been a victory on that front, but he also thinks that he's going to win this thing. He is somewhat worried about the people voting for Ventura. Obviously you didn't say was worried but he did appeal to Ventura voters and to think about how they'll feel coming out of the Other words he serve a PE servers make reference to the sense that the retaliate 98 cents you get from the Ventura campaign. He said that's all fine. And dandy, but think about how you feel coming out at Booth really bloated for Norm Coleman in the one you'll feel the best about once. You've cast your ballot. All right. Thank you Martin. Keep us posted. All right, then, see who is tracking the norm Coleman campaign, and let's make one more effort here to connect with. Hope Deutscher in Moorhead. Yes. All right. What do you've been the tracking the Humphrey campaign up in Moorhead this morning? What it what what's been going on? Siri are you there? Yes, we are. Well, let's get this. Let's get this technical business squared away what we talkin with? Skip Humphrey anyway at about eleven 11:30 this morning to get a report from the candidate himself on how his campaign is going now in addition to the race for governor. There are lots of other contests are going to be decided tomorrow as well. And one of the more interesting of course is the contest for State Attorney General, but with the skip Humphrey running for governor, that office is now open and a lively contest between Republican Charlie Weaver and Democrat my camps Charlie Weaver joins us know from the campaign Trail. Good morning. Mr. Weaver. Good morning, Gary. How are you? Just fine. Where are you? Okay, I've been pretty tough getting attention what with all the attention being paid to the governor's race. More otherwise they may have been a little more attention to us. But I think in the end it's been a pretty balanced and we worked hard to travel all around the state several times for the last year and we really feel good about that where we are right now. What do you think are going to be the big issues that voters will be thinking about tomorrow in the go boat Jack of the same at all. If you really got a choice between myself as an experienced criminal prosecutor and well-respected legislator and someone who's never been in a criminal courtroom in his life. So I think that's really a choice they made their don't have to make and we feel great carry that out of all the papers in the state of things have been 15 papers that have made endorsements in the Attorney. General's race in 14 of them have endorsed me the only paper to endorse. My opponent was his hometown paper Duluth where we are right now, hopefully getting some of those folks. So we feel great about where we are in the race, and of course the endorsement of the dfl. Doors candidate for Governor Mike Freeman gave us a big shot in the arm carry as well as the team Barclays tomorrow. How important is it to you? Mr. Weaver that your candidate for governor does well is doing very well. I take a snapshot looking for result each day. I think could more important thing is to look at Trends and the trend in our race is having me accelerating every single day and gaining momentum and enormous doing the same thing. So there's no question will be some coattails. Although frankly. I don't suppose those who want to go out and vote for Jesse are typically my supporters to so, well Jesse may have I'm not sure positive or negative effect Norm. Jesse definitely has a positive effect of my race for attorney general finally, you know, it's all the ads that of Ron and all the debates in the media coverage and so on up do you think that people have a good sense of who Charlie Weaver is now have you been able to actually communicate everything you want to communicate to people instantly our focus of course is that there's only one prosecutor running for attorney general? That's the message we delivered time and time again. We've been a focus campaign on that message because I do think that's the most important role of the Attorney General is to keep Minnesota family safe and know based on my experience and all those coffee shops braids and county fairs of the that's resonating with people throughout Minnesota weather in the Phillips neighborhood or in general and it's not how do I do think that they've that message got across and I've been very positive response. Thank you, sir. Appreciate you joining us. Good luck to you are who is running for attorney general. He is a republican. He's the Republican candidate in that race and joining us now the dfl candidate in the race my cash. My name is patch. How are you doing? Well, fine little tired. We've had a good weekend and I'm getting on the state. So it's not Monday morning before we go back to it again. Have you had trouble breaking through the governor clutter if you will? There's been so much attention focused on that race for governor on the races. But I think that is Charlie just mention there is clear distinctions between the candidates. I have not kept to just one issue. I've talked about gangs and the need for the Attorney General's office to have jurisdiction on the issue and if it's the difference between Charlotte and I he disagrees I've talked about consumer issues at the Attorney. General's office has been very active on Healthcare major issue with regard to patients rights with regard to at the end of trust issues with Greta consumer issues multi-faceted office, and I think it's important that people bought out during the campaign. I think people know that there is a difference between us. What do you think voters will be deciding? What what what can I use for a basis tomorrow? What's your sense? In the governor's race attorney general's General's race running for Statewide County attorney. As you know, primary jurisdiction for prosecution is at the county attorney's office at the other candidate myself. I've said that the Attorney General should have jurisdiction on crying issues and 2nd Ave address. The other issues that relate to that Office of the Attorney General represents the state represents people. I've talked everything about you know, the senior Advocacy Office to the healthcare. Advocacy unit that mean there are differences. It's not a single issue campaign least none of my half. Do you think that people have gotten a good sense through your ads through the debates through the media coverage if they got my good sense of whom I can choose what you stand for? Well, I hope so. We spent a year running around going to raise the money to buy the add to do the press conferences you hope it gets through an IV. I think people been very very good. They've been far more attentive and I think everyone get some credit for and then we had a primary race very good candidates that ran to provide excellent candidates the governor's level in the primary and in the general election people in the media has been you know, I've been around politics for many years and I can't I don't think I think you could add up all of the coverage for probably the last decade and it would not equal the amount of coverage given this year. It's been very very strong and it's very hard for people to avoid it. Thank you. Mr. Hatch and good luck to you tomorrow. Thank you. Why can't you is the dfl Party's candidate for attorney general joining us from Minneapolis today. And of course the Attorney General candidates like the candidates for Governor of Candidates for all of these officers making one last push today to try to convince you that you should vote for them tomorrow. Tomorrow is election day in this is a special election Eve edition of midday here on Minnesota Public Radio in a few minutes, so we are expecting to talk with dfl candidate for governor. Skip Humphrey over the noon hour Jesse Ventura and Norm Coleman will be calling in as well right now. We've been joined in the studio by political analyst Tom Horner Republican. Sarah stays. She's a Democrat and Dean Barclay Reform Party member and a top adviser to Jesse Ventura, and of course, we invite you to join our conversation as well. If you have a question or comment for our analyst, this is a great time to get those last questions answered about where the candidates stand on specific issues in the like give us a call 227-6002 276 thousand out side the Twin Cities 1 800 to +422-828-227-6004. 1 802-4228. Too late. We are all kind of crowded in here in our little Studio like little sardines. Thanks for coming in today. Everybody preciate it is. This election is closes the polls the governor's race. This is is it as close as the pole seem to indicate what's your sense are are are reflecting the traditional voting base of likely voter. They do not go after the unlikely voter in the young boy that hasn't voted yet and we have been going after that boat and depending on how many of that bass. It's not coming in. The polls comes out. This could be a real interesting cuz I think it's a dead heat with the likely if we can generate that non-voting block to vote. Jesse's over-the-top. There's no question very very fluid situation. Of course, the reason that voters are called likely or unlikely. It's because they are either likely or unlikely to vote and Dean is right that there's a big unknown this year in terms of how many Previously on likely voters will turn out to vote as they are indicating they may want to do for Ventura. But I think what we've seen in the last week or so to week is that Coleman has probably peaked he hasn't risen any more in the last couple of weeks Humphrey took quite a slide earlier in October but seems to have stabilized and maybe regaining ground but Jesse's clearly surging and to the extent that he's able to really motivate folks who regularly don't vote to get to the polls is he will have a big impact on the selection. Well, maybe the best pole at least as it relates to candidates from the to traditional parties is where they've been spending their time and I think the fact that skip Humphrey has had to spend so much time over the last few days in the end of a campaign in the 8th District the traditional dfl stronghold. I think tells you that he has not yet even showed up his base. I think the two things that are most remarkable about this campaign that I've made it very difficult for her for pulling and one of the things that I think the median particular need to go back and look at after this election is over in terms of how they use Paul's is is first how late people have become engaged in the campaign part of it due to the nature of a lake primary and and all the other goings-on in Washington, but I think part of it just did the campaign's didn't Captivate the people during the summer didn't get them engaged in and now it's only been in the last 2 or 3 weeks that the people really have started to focus pay attention and and get involved and secondly, even with that. I think there has been a remarkable amount of volatility among the electorate this your people moving back and forth that I'm Jesse Ventura with a good quip at a debate captures their attention Norm Coleman with with the discussion of up tax cut captures their attention. Where are moving back to to skip Humphrey. I think a lot of people in the Middle where typically most Minnesota voters. That the person that typically Minnesota has has elected to office has been a Dave durenberger or Rudy perpich when those people who capture that range from Liberal Republicans to conservative Democrats. Those people are bouncing all over among the three candidates and I don't think the poles have done a good job of a cracking that pilot ility. Everybody says that the turnout is the big the big thing is that is that actually true or hear that every witch based turns out everyone who wants Jesse to win if all the kids at the International Market Square that were cheering justiana on Saturday night on Halloween all six thousand of them. They go to vote on the campuses we've been on at the ones that come up go to vote. Jessica Nguyen. What is going to be do they show up or do they now which is going to be a real interesting observation for most political science and Insider freaks. Take a look at where the met someone like Jesse can get the 20 Ivan under back into the political process cuz I checked out but they're showing up and whether Jesse has the Charisma and that certain tangible to get these people back which I think is a good for a whole democracy getting on people back into into our electoral process so that I think even when I lose just as dumb as a service by getting people traditionally have given up on politics or haven't been generated enough interest to get into it. Maybe they'll become good citizens. I think for us in the future is whether those people will stay with politics long-term because if they're getting excited about politics because of the sort of personality the cult of personality around Jesse Ventura, they're not getting excited about politics around the issues that he's talking about because he hasn't been talking about a lot of issues much of the excitement around his campaign has been around his personality. So will they come back and vote for subsequent Reform Party candidates or other candidates in the future? Yes indeed they even show up at the polls this time. So there are there still quite a few unknowns in this race. Well, and I think long-term also it is going to be interesting to see how the two major parties respond to Jesse Ventura win or lose. I think the that the fact of the matter is that Jesse Ventura in a lot of ways is a creation of the two major parties that I'm the Republicans and Democrats in Minnesota have so trivialised and so March and marginalized issues and voters and polarized the electorate. I think creative Jesse Ventura. I think your created the Reform Party. I think we just got so sick and tired of what the hierarchy in the party was doing. We laughed we gave up and then someone Glassboro came and motivate a lot of us to maybe there's a chance for me something different that can be different and I don't know if it has Thing by this is been an interesting 6 year experience. No one ever thought we could get major party. Nobody thought we could stay if we wouldn't be here if it wasn't a demand in the demand has been created by the Turns out the other two parties and I think you're right. You're right enough to make us go away. We don't know perceived as negative behavior on the part of party officials and elected leaders in the two parties and is not being generated been around basic issues. And in order for the Reform Party to become a legitimate party. It has to do a better job on those candidates have to do a better job that wasn't the Democrats and Republicans. It was us in 94-96 who is railing about social security hitting the rocks of Medicare part, where you at? What are the time? We are not issue. Thank you. I think you're right that Jesse Ventura is is a creation of parties that can put forward. A John Marty and an allen Quest but but that doesn't say that because people are flocking to Jesse Ventura that Jesse Ventura is a person of issues or person of Subs website is kind of an 82 on the website any issue you want it's there. 13 people don't go to the website people listen to the debates. They listen to the ads. They listen to what he says and and one of Jesse Ventura can go up to the Iron Range and not even understand what an agency like the IEEE RB is which may be inside or kind of government issues for most of the electorate but in terms of public policy on the Iron Range, it's enormously important when he can go out to Stillwater can go out to Stillwater and people ask him about an issue is contentious as a new bridge and his response. If you have an Old Bridge just build a new one. I mean that's that's not a kind of campaign around which to build issues which again isn't to say that Jesse Ventura hasn't struck a responsive chord in that the two parties half and failed in their mandate to elevate public discussion that the concern is can Jesse Ventura if he's elected form that the consent Just to govern and I think that's a huge question mark. Oh I can assure you absolute in Sarah. I'll let you respond that he has that ability. He has people around him that have that ability. Jesse Ventura will be able to govern the state of Minnesota very, well. There won't be any shock wave will be very very effective and I can guarantee you that time one of them more interesting and telling moments in this campaign for me occurred actually Gary when I was listening to your show several days ago and you were having voters call in and say who it is that they were going to vote for and a woman called in and said that she and her husband were going to vote for Jesse Ventura Beach cuz Jesse Ventura had not made any promises therefore he couldn't break any promises therefore he was the can that they were going to vote for so she was clearly saying Jesse Ventura hasn't said anything in that appeals to us somehow and I think that's a very interesting aspect of the of the Jesse Ventura fan. Because people heard promises in the past and I never kept and that's why they think he's refreshing analyst Eros tasting Berkeley Tom Horner of jaundice at this hour Sarah is a Democrat Dean Barclay Reform Party representative Time Warner Republican and lots of callers on the line as well with some questions for the analyst about this election. Tomorrow is election day time to time to decide tomorrow Dwight your question, please I have a question on issues with the the wildlife program. I guess. I just didn't understand it Which Wich you mean the Amendments yet, which one there are two of them. There's the one that would continue to Dedicated Lottery money to the environment trust fund hunting. Yes that The Preserve the well, of course, that's that's the that's the catch on that one. It's the it's the official wording and you're you're interested in what that would do. Yeah. Well, I guess Is that to us so many times when you go to vote on anything like they'll just sit down and they'll stay. Well. This is what the issue is in the end. You vote Yes, or No, vote no on it. And in a lot of times the way the warnings are made you don't always know why Hannah what you voting for? Well that has been I think it's fair to say at the heart of the whole debate as to what the amendment would do. Let's get some come in from the Alice next white. Well in This Time Warner, I think the key to interpreting that Amendment I'm for many people as whether or not if sanctions crapping and and some of the methods that are used in trapping that are particularly owner s22 some people in Minnesota. It's an unusual amendment. I don't think anybody really believes that the right to hunt and fish is under attack in Minnesota. I think people are both wise and and legitimate in in their questioning of how that Amendment might be interpreted by Future legislature Joan gross at the other day. She thinks that the interest In a particular Amendment, which is number two on your ballot. When you work your way down to my be number two on your ballot the hunting and fishing them. She thinks that the interest in that Amendment will actually drive up the turnout tomorrow. Did you folks there any sense of that out? And about that particular question I think is yet to come up on the stump already been on so I didn't pass on that one. That's all. I've noticed a lot of interest in this particular moment in northern Minnesota certainly in the last few weeks. Although it is interesting is Tom says it's worded in such an ambiguous way that it's really quite unclear as to what the long-term effects of this and then we'll be at the past. Hello everybody and thank you for being there. I'm just curious they say that the gay lesbian Community is 10% +. I don't know if that's true or not. I am gay. It might be true. But I know that when you take all the gays and lesbians and bisexuals in the world you had in their families and friends who do vote because of those reasons. You know, everybody's always try to go for the Jewish Community the black community that this community and I certainly know people do it for the gay community. But I would like to hear from the three different parties what their candidate for governor and also attorney general feel about those communities because I think it's important because you know, what? We also go out and vote more often than the general Community. Okay, let's let's give each analyst here 30 seconds to summarize their candidate's position on gay rights and I will say to Brian is I think that's exactly the problem with Party politics today in particular with the two major parties is that they have looked at the electorate and they said all right, we have this constituency in that constituency in that constituency divide-and-conquer. Let's try to polarize people instead of bringing them together. I think the issues for gays as well as for Jewish people. Well, as for people of color ought to be who's going to create a stronger Minnesota stronger Minnesota of opportunity of equal rights of a good education those kinds of basic things that ought to be important to all minnesotans and the further away we can move from the politics of special interests and the closer we can move to the politics of a whole. I think we'll all be better served there a States. Skip Humphrey on gay rights. I will answer that question directly because skip Humphrey has been very clear in his support of Tolerance and openness and his opposition to bigotry and intolerance and hatred as it has come through particularly in the Coleman campaign in cullman's attacks on Humphrey and Humphreys willingness to recognize gay and lesbian relationships. So I do think that there is a very clear difference there. Berkeley Jesse Ventura on gay rights Ventura himself as you know when I ran two years ago, I supported gay marriage, and I got a lot of heat about that. I did something fall. Well, that's I'm not speaking for Jesse at the party. The party does not have a position on that, but Jesse when I get to ask that question, give a very wonderful example of two friends two male friends that I lived together for over forty years, and he knew them or friends with them and how sad it was that the one of them could not go in until his hospital bed when he was sick because of that situation, and then how unfair it is. I think you could say that Jesse has 4 equal protection of everybody in the bedroom as our own business and left arm somebody else in the government shouldn't be poking their nose everywhere. Where doesn't concern them. We're talking a shower with political analyst Eros tasting Berkeley and Tom Horner and getting ready for election day tomorrow here on midday great opportunity to get some of your last minute questions answered if you'd like to join our conversation to 276 thousand 227 6002 calling from outside the Studies one 800-242-2828 in a couple of minutes were expecting to hear from dfl candidate. Skip Humphrey you'll be joining us from the campaign Trail over the noon hour. Jesse Ventura Norm. Coleman will be joining us and our analyst will be here right on through one horse tomorrow night big election Night Special Air on Minnesota Public Radio. Wednesday morning will be back on the air and if by sometime later this week, you don't know who won and what it all means. Then we have failed. Miserably I will be back Thursday. 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Sunny skies are prevailing in northern Minnesota this afternoon cloudy to partly cloudy across the southern half of the state with highest today upper 30s to near 50 degrees in the southwest tomorrow election day should be partly cloudy with highs mid-30s to the mid-forties Fun City forecast for the afternoon partly cloudy. Pretty Breezy with a high possibly reaching the upper 40s and then tomorrow election day partly cloudy in the cities with a high in the low to mid 40s. So weather shouldn't be a problem Saint Cloud currently has a sunny Sky 39° Rochester partly cloudy 42 Duluth cloudy in 37 Fargo partly cloudy 41, Sioux Falls cloudy and 40. Degrees and it's all so cloudy in 40 degrees in the Twin City metropolitan area. Medical analysts Tom Horner. Sarah stays Dean Barclay with us this hour as we get ready before election day tomorrow lots of callers on the line with the last minute questions here Jim go ahead place. you know their position on right to work and prevailing wage. I was a strong supporter Jack until I heard he was a right-to-work type of candidate and also would not support. Prevailing wage I'll take your pants off to your thank you know, this is something that's come out late in the campaign. Jesse Ventura's a union member who supports prevailing wage. We put out a press release yesterday correcting it was going out on the Range somewhere some small Union publication a week ago said someone hurt him at a motorcycle rally talking about that. He never talked about that a motorcycle rally. Jesse Ventura would never bring up prevailing wage at a motorcycle rally. He supports union workers. He supports prevailing wage and what you're hearing out. There's absolutely unequivocally faults the weekend up on the Iron Range. Did you not? Yes, I did or I put your take your analyst hat off for a moment put your reporter had on. What's what's happening on the Iron Range. It appears Tom Horner alluded to this earlier that skip Humphrey maybe isn't as strong in northeastern Minnesota as Democratic candidates traditionally have been we've heard that Pinterest. A lot of support from that Depart of the state what is going on anywhere in the state is they would have been absent Jesse Ventura? So, that's the first point to remember that Jesse is cutting into both candidates base of support all the way across the state and that includes the 8th congressional district. Jesse Ventura has made his presence known I I will tell you that I sell quite a number of Ventura signs and talked to a number of people who are concerned about the level of support that Jesse was garnering. They're particularly up on the Iron Range on the other hand. Skip Humphrey has spent a lot of time on the Iron Range during this campaign and particularly during the last couple of weeks, and he seems to be drawing a lot of energy from spending time with people up there and his campaign seems to be gaining some momentum as a result of that so I don't think by any means that Jesse. And who is going to take the Iron Range? I fully anticipate that skip Humphrey will win in the 8th congressional district. There's a question as to how large his margin will be but clearly skip Humphrey is going to be carrying these to destroy note Norm Coleman was campaigning on the Range over the weekend. Is there any realistic chance that he's going to get a sizable number of Republican votes Time Warner? And I think there are a lot of folders on the Iron Range in the 8th District who resonate to Norm Coleman on the number of issues one that he's a big city mayor who actually has delivered us delivery jobs to call her ask about prevailing wage from Coleman has had to work with prevailing wage in St. Paul has supported prevailing wage. The one thing he has said about it is that it ought to be determined on a local bases there. There are problems with the formula in in that the prevailing wage Statewide off and gets dictated by the prevailing wage in the Twin Cities and that create some problems for construction projects in Greater, Minnesota. So perhaps What has to be adjusted but the norm Coleman has worked with unions in in St. Paul and has done a terrific job. I think a lot of iron Rangers also resonate to Norm Coleman on on issues like abortion and and Dad environmental use natural resources. Those kinds of of issues that are important to Norm Coleman that he has articulated off and uniquely in this campaign Lauren your question place and I was president of my high school class at a moderate a list of about 200 graduates from my high school and we have been discussing the voter turnout that we expect in the next couple days and just anecdotal evidence is that the number of people who I found out we're planning on coming out there who have absentee ballots on their way back to their Courthouse how much farther than I thought it would be and most of our students have been following the campaign through website. So I think it was earlier, that said no one really reads the website but project smart and some of the web I've been major factors, I think in determining the first time voter. Okay. Thanks for your comment. Lauren Barclay. Sounds good for your I'm managing a car wash right now Golden Valley and I got workers there that I've never voted in their life that are come up. You can say, how do I register everywhere we go, where there's young people out there. They're talking about Jesse Ventura. And again we talked about that question before are they going to go to the process and do it for Thalia Minnesota? We made it very easy to just need a driver's license identification go on Tuesday to vote and you can vote so that's a very good place. So we're going to find out you know, I got I got involved in this for the Vietnam War got me activated and maybe Jesse Ventura's the Vietnam War of the issue of the personality that brings young people back into the process that I firmly believe it's going to happen. That's why I don't think it's necessarily going to be a close race. Cuz when we get a big chunk of those people out. Jesse will win running away if they come out they can elect the next Governor if they decide to go out now, I don't mean Listen, anyway demeaning. I don't mean this to demean anybody but Is part of the enthusiasm that Jesse Ventura has generated among young people have a fun deal. I mean, he's like, he's a great character. He's charismatic. But you know, it's not one of these thoughtful political type decision if we stopped having fun on this camping, I'm getting out of the rice cuz politics does not have to be boring. It doesn't have to be stuffy. We can enjoy it while we're doing it and we're breaking down some barriers that other Spirit ago, but that's okay. Maybe these berries have been up there too long. Maybe if we made it more fun kids would get involved in politics ought to be fun and we have lost a lot of the fun in politics and they can again I think that is a failure of of the parties they did the happy warrior was Hubert Humphrey who made politics joyful and and and almost spiritual and and we have laws. But having fun with politics and connecting with the voters is different from governing and and being able to build consensus. And what people ought to look at is Jesse Ventura might be an acceptable Governor. If you believe that the economy is going to run an automatic over the next four years, but if we start to hit some some speedups about Dean here and the city of Brooklyn Park for 4 years and it didn't go anywhere went up business 103 practice went up every year and he will now seven votes as Governor from a report form party. He's one of one he has no base on which to build a coalition consensus in the legislature and that has been his failure that the problem is that Jesse Ventura does not come in with Solutions. He comes in with clever and entertaining ways to articulate the problems and in to get people riled up Against government and I think in a lot of ways that's the same problem just done with greater humor and and with greater personality than what the Republicans and Democrats have been doing and Sarah, you know, I'm really completely agree that politics ought to be fun and frankly. I find it a lot of fun. I'm sorry that more people don't find it fun. But I think that in addition to having fun with politics politics also has to be substantive. So it didn't needs to be some meat around what it is that we're talking about here and it may be a lot of fun to talk about parachuting into the ocean and swimming with sharks as Jesse Ventura was quoted saying in the paper this morning, but I don't know what that has to do with governing in the state of Minnesota at yes, it's fun. But where is the substance there a lot of substance with Jesse Ventura? Let me tell you all these people you're trying to say that Jesse somehow wouldn't be able to govern it's just a joke. I mean, we've got a transition team in place. We're going to pull in the best the brightest from Both parties will a summer good Republicans, maybe some of the Carlson people that are so good and fine if maybe we'll just keep them around. You know what I mean? Is it is it's not the end of the world. I know a lot of good amateur. I'm the chairman of the transition team. I not allowed in Algood TN penny a lot of good Democrats out there that would love to come in and maybe help us a lot of good Republicans. I endorse Charlie Weaver if Charlie doesn't win. Maybe we could ask Charlie that that's just a non-issue us being able to go and put together a Centrist Common Sense Coalition building from the middle of the political Spectrum team to get good people yarnall better with the legislature. There are some people over there. They have some courage that we could have the common sense Coalition that we get some things done and actually do it without partisanship for once in our life. But the game partisanship is part of politics. It's not the partisanship isn't negative partisanship is in what rides issues it what it is what gives people an opportunity to look at alternatives? And it in the same way that we have made special interests and and and money and political contributions the boogeyman of politics. Now, we want to make partisanship the boogeyman of of politics and the fact of the matter is there's something to be said for partisan politics. There's something to be said for having three choices, that's fine. But there's something to be said for having three Clear Choices and worst people to take a look at those choices and what we've had in this campaign is two choices and some good laugh lines and I think that's a disservice to well will the body politic out tomorrow if that's what the photos don't believe it. I mean, I agree with you Jesse. He's answered every question on every issue presented to a man. I mean, this is just a nice cheap shot way of trying to say does not stop shop. Well, if there's one good thing that can be said about this year. It's that Jesse Ventura has energized a lot of people to think about and get involved in politics that aren't usually involved in politics. And that is a very good thing simply from the point of view of being a good citizen and it's something that I do take quite a lot of joy, and actually what I want to know is whether we will have Soil and Water Conservation board action figures and when can we look for those in our and the mosquito District? Absolutely Mike your question, please put together a coalition. Keep in mind if they're 201 legislators legislators in Minnesota Government, all of whom Jesse has probably slander called ugly or names and and now he expects. Together a coalition of Republicans and Democrats at while at the same time calling and professional politicians and in every name in the book. That is extraordinary Li naive in the country exists in a majoritarian system. It does not work well with a third-party candidate and I'm convinced he does when it would be an absolute disaster. He won't be able to govern you will not be able to put a coalition together and to think otherwise is naive you're dealing with 201 individuals with probably very big Eagles. All of them. Jesse has called one way or another. I'm bad some type of a name. Fall apart when independent Angus King was elected governor when the ears and in Connecticut things. We didn't fall apart things went very well, and when Jesse winds tomorrow things will not fall apart. Things are going very well, and I'll prove you wrong and you can eat your words later. Let me ask you. Another part of that question Democrats have for the last couple of years made no secret of their intense just like for Norm Coleman Republicans have not exactly signed on to skip Humphreys agenda for government. So if either one of those gentlemen, when are we looking at the severe gridlock on the governor and legislature a lot of nastiness there or can everybody work together and presuming that the Democrats control the House of Representatives and Coleman is elected governor. I'm at I certainly think that people will try to work together, but it won't be exactly I would guess in the same kind of spirit that has existed under the governorship of Arne Carlson with either Coleman or Humphrey. You're still starting with a base of people within the legislature. Delta Coalition around you're not starting with somebody who has the color has said has has urged voters of Minnesota to retaliate against the whole system. Now also say however that I don't think that Jesse Ventura would be at any greater of a disadvantage than a John Marr Dr. And Allen Quist. I think I've had either of those people by some stroke of lightning been elected governor. I think they would have the same problem is the problem of a person who set himself apart from the rest of the body politic whose whose campaign theme is retaliate government is bad. I'm going to close down government. I think that is is the essence of the potential problem for a Governor Ventura out directly to the people and hoping that the people would influence the legislators to do whatever it is that he wants them to do. I cannot see that it would be very easy for him to form coalitions with many of these Electric. 83 tailgate for the four billion dollar Surplus that they spent that they should have asked that offer to plan for government doesn't automatically is that the lion we have a surplus you send it back when it comes in Adam Eckley Norm adopted it two weeks later. Try to steal it Just Like Jesse. Jesse Ventura has said there's no role for government in creating jobs. Jesse Ventura has said there's no role for government in taking care of kids before they enter school that that's that's the parents responsibility. Jesse Ventura clearly has said there's no role for government in a lot of the things that minnesotans have said. No we ought to have government involved in government shouldn't be taking kids from the womb up through college and taking care of all their needs and you have no individual responsibility no role for parents Union, you know trying to do daycare and everything for everybody else in that didn't work. Do we want to go in all the failed system over there or talking with the political analyst? Berkeley he's the Reform Party representative Tom Horner the Republican Sarah stays the Democrat election election Eve special here on our mid-day program getting ready for tomorrow lot of callers on the line. If you have a question, I want to get something cleared up before election day tomorrow to 276 thousand to 276 thousand Twin City area number. I'll try the Twin Cities one 800-242-2828 now we had expected to hear from dfl candidates. Skip Humphrey at about 11:30. He has apparently been delayed and we're still hoping to talk with him over the noon hour. We're scheduled to talk with Jesse Ventura Norm Coleman, so lots of opportunities to hear more from the candidates and also to chat with our analyst here to get some of your questions answered again to 276 thousand outside the Twin Cities one 800-242-2828 and reminder not tomorrow if you want to Bone up on the National elections all the Senate races around the country the house races and so on that's going to be our focus at 11 tomorrow tomorrow night starting at 7 complete election night coverage here on Minnesota Public Radio. Marry your question, please, and it's not a nice place to be I can tell you that to Sarah Tom and Dean. I think you represent your party tray. Well, and I really appreciate today's program earlier in the discussion. You said somebody said that Jesse Ventura did not have issues or did not discuss issues and one of the issues that I am considering is Pac money and I I I guess maybe he hasn't made an issue of it. But when I hear that he isn't discussing issues and I think that heat what he is doing is a strong statement. I would like to hear from all three of you as to your opinions of that issue. I considered an issue. I've been told by the national two party system that it is not an issue with folders and it really is with me before you run here before. I was, answer your question Mary. What is pray tell after all the ads all the coverage all the debates and so on. What is it that's going to finally make up your mind and that dilemma for you step-by-step. I have never been this undecided and and I can I can go two ways. So easily would you do us a favor, please? Marry Wednesday morning. We're going to a special program Katherine Langford and I are going to do a combined program from 9 to one kind of, you know, after the election. Would you call us back on when? Play morning. I'd love to find out who you ended up voting for and why would you do that? Okay, thanks a lot. Now Pac Pac money as a campaign issue Dean Barclay the reasons we got into this is 1992. When I first surprise Gerry Sikorski when we're debating on the 6th District. I took out Webster's new Collegiate dictionary and I read the definition of bribery and bribery is the giving of money or something of value to someone in power but the expectation of influencing their decision-making and that's bribery and it's illegal everywhere in this country except in politics and it's called Pac money or special interest rate to buy access to try to buy ears. Jesse Ventura has not taken $1 one penny of special interest money. I think it's polluting our political process. I think it's the basis of the corruption of the political process and nobody in the Reform Party will ever take $1 of special interest money. So I hope that answers I'm with you. We've got a change of political system and leave the other two parties seem to care enough. Do every year one party together kills the reform legislation in Congress this time. I got grounded out by Monica Lewinsky and all her stuff on that bill quietly died a republican death in the Senate this time. They take turns I was going to kill it this year just to correct in Berkeley for a minute here. It's not usually one party or the other that kills a cat campaign Finance reform. It's the Republican party that kills campaign Finance reform. The Democratic party has been very strongly in favor of campaign Finance reform particularly a certain members the Democratic party for example are on senator Paul wellstone and our neighbor and Senator Feingold from Wisconsin right next door, but I would also suggest that the issue is Pac money is only one way to look at the whole broader question of what we do about campaign Finance reform. This has been a banner year for independent expenditures. And that is emerging as a really important force and potential future trend for Pain financing in this country. This is the first year in which we are going to see in the United States a 1 billion dollar congressional election. And only about a quarter of that money is being raised and spent by the candidates themselves. The rest of that money is being raised and spent through independent expenditures that is to say organizations and groups of people who have decided to raise money and spend money on behalf of one candidate or another business has increased its independence miniature rate by over 50% in the last couple of years a lawn. And so this is a very very significant issue for our citizenry for campaign Finance reform as long as they can't really do anything about it. As long as it's a campaign issue. In fact when the Democrats controlled the White House the House of Representatives and United States Senate in 1993 and 1994 campaign Finance. When was an issue then when they could have done something about it now that they can use it to beat up Republicans campaign Finance reforms that an issue for Democrats fact is Democrats have been incredibly disingenuous on this issue because it is day as much as anybody else was going out and raising special interest money raising did the soft money that's ever talked about and using it for exactly the purposes that alienate voters. I happen to believe that the problem isn't money to a large extent. Yes. We need to have more thorough reporting. Yes. We need to have limits on the independent expenditures. But the real problem is is that we have a polarized electric driven by the two parties like at Rod grams and Paul wellstone don't represent the same Minnesota. They represent two completely different Minnesota Vikings Minnesota, and that's different from what we've had in the past from the fact is that Dave durenberger in the Mark Dayton who ran for election to the United States Senate 1982 have some Middle Ground a Rudy boschwitz in a Joan grow in 19. Before have some middle ground. It's not the issues that it's not the money that is chasing issues if the issue so chasing money. We're talking this hour and next hour for that matter with political analyst Tom Horner. He's a republican Dean Barclay is with the Reform Party. Sarah Stace is the dfl her getting ready for election day tomorrow here in the state of Minnesota course, lots of other races all across the country as well and we have a full Bank of collars. We're going to catch up on some news headlines during the noon hour. We're going to be talking I think if all goes according to plan with all three of the candidates for Governor, Jesse Ventura skip Humphrey and Norm Coleman, so stay tuned.