Governor Arne, Carlson is back home now having spent the past weekend in Washington at the national Governors association meeting welfare reform top the agenda. Just as it's one of the big issues this year at the state capitol and I suspect we're going to be talking about that during this hour the governor has been good enough to come by to discuss that issue and whatever else you'd like to talk about Governor. Thanks for coming by again fundamental issue on federal welfare reform seems to be just how much control the federal government's going to repaint over that program. Is it until it's Frank and exciting transition and Washington really is I mean, it's it's probably is as dramatic and and is exciting as the transition of the 1930s in the forties when out of all of that came a very strong centralized federal system that ultimately resulted in the federal government have not only the tax courses but control if you will have a programs.And putting States ultimately and this is where I think that the New Deal has outlived its usefulness, but eventually putting state and local government of position, but they have to come to Washington to beg to do those things that are Frankie just common sense and what we see in this new Congress is real genuine willingness to listen to Governors and to listen to Mayors and County boards and talk about what can we do to return power back to you and by the way resources and responsibilities and I think it's going to work out. Well, it'll be a lot of mistakes. I mean in between it's absolutely inevitable in a transitional. Do you make make mistakes Neri welfare is a dramatic when they really want to turn a lot of the responsibility back to State and local governments. And that's where the creativity of nuts were. A lot of the ultimately dicey questions are to be asked and answered is really on the local level.So I think that I'm very optimistic getting some Work Out World philosophically. Do you think welfare reform should remain an entitlement that is to say if a person has x amount of income or lack thereof whether they should be entitled to welfare benefits or should it be set up more on a first-come first-serve which is to say when the money runs out it runs out and stop by next year as a society. We don't want more quote entitlement. I think what you want to do is set up a reasonable expectation. And that expectation is this that says luck when you're in trouble we the citizens who are government will help you in return we expect you to do everything in your power to help yourself.And understanding that the two of us together can work together and we'll build success. And I think that's really where most people's heads are at and I think ultimately that kind of partnership is what's going to happen. But let me give me an example. We were at the White House and we had this or I actually was the Blair house that was excited. By the way. I wanted. Grass but I saw the the dining room table where the Marshall Plan was drafted and it's no longer than 5 or 6 ft shows how simple things were back then but in any of them Those who who were hesitant to support. Fundamental changes in welfare would raise what they thought were ticklish question. Should we denied Aid to an 18 year old girl, who's pregnant blah blah blah, and I don't think Washington should worry about either that question or that answer. When I first got into government, I sat on the Minneapolis Board of Public Welfare, and I was reminded that back in the thirties in the twenties and that these boards were all over Minnesota and they made Community decisions depending upon the actual needs of that family Etc. They were too was very personal and frankly it worked and the more you transfer that decision making, you know, the further away the less likely it is that you're going to make good common-sense decision summon, the strength of the American system is our ability to be both flexible and pragmatic will let you pass laws you've listened to your flexibility and that you haven't allowed for local responses. We'd like to work out our program here in Minnesota. We think we're different then let's say Louisiana and so we want to respond to legitimate needs and expectations of Minnesota and not worry about what people Louisiana think what is Sade and matter fact Let It boil the other Governors thinking about the idea though that if you have different regulations from state to state that the some people in some states are going to get the short end of the stick. Some people will move to states with more generous benefits to take advantage of the benefits. How do you how do you avoid that kind of a hodgepodge of Regulation? Well, if you make sure they're very very keep pointing to them. I don't think welfare poses as much of a problem on that is a does near the environment and and that one boy that sticks in my craw. I think there's a compelling National interest of Equalization of standard so that we don't have Industries. Let's just say going to to to some other state because the rules are much more relaxed and causing permanent environmental damage sure what this is going to be a ticklish thing to work your way through in the area of welfare what we have seen so far out of state. Is it the other ones who have launched the experiments? They're the ones who created the new ideas and the new outcomes and each state is pushing to become better than the other states. The problem does come as you suggest under the current system where let's say Minnesota we know is a net importer. We've heard stories and they have been substantiated of some states actually giving people bus fare to come to Minnesota take advantage of our standards and Wisconsin by the way goes to exactly the same thing but there are programs that you can devise to prevent that from occurring and we we believe that with our welfare reform package just now in the house in the Senate that will deter that and that's spy by just giving vouchers and I cash I guess today is Minnesota Governor Arne Carlson Governor if you'd be good enough to put on the headset there. So will you can hear our our callers hear? Fire wave off we go Jim. Go ahead. Thank you. You're very kind to things number one as I understand it would not publicly reveal doctors names as now written number to and all honesty the 24-hour waiting. Which I do think is supported by about 70% of the people would not get a clean vote up by itself. That is it would never come out of Senate committee a my question for you is you hinted that you would like a tree with Rewritten in a way that you thought you could prove it. Could you be specific how you would like to Bill Rewritten your questions right on target. First of all, I would argue that it's unconstitutional to link two separate topics together in one bill. I think the Constitution is abundantly clear on that made that point of the legislature actually abortion and the welfare Well big bill for the whole legislative session, but the other purpose was it if you had an idea you put it on one bill in the band the people in the legislature voted for the about it down there. The question to gentleman raise is on the 20 for wedding that were very much On Target here. Here's the fear that that you have one is a while. It doesn't require publication of the doctor's name. It's not going to take much to get that doctor's name and ultimately caused that doctor significant paint and and there are some some radicals that have that in mind and that's something that we don't want to introduce in the state of Minnesota. I think of all sides of the abortion issue will it will agree upon that and and secondly, it's not your main to anyting that the second piece in terms of drafting language are we did draft language in 1924, that's precisely what we did. It was constitutional. And that was drafted by Joanne Benson who at that time was in the state senators now the lieutenant governor and Senator kiscaden. So here we had both are pro-choice and pro-life people drafting constitutional language that actually did provide for the 24-hour waiting. The problem is politics is what governed judgment and ultimately caused the impasse and that's precisely what's happening again, but I do think the better judgment will will prevail what is the rationale for a waiting. For abortions. We require does the state require anything like that for any other medical procedure know what would be why would that be different than any other medical procedure the argument for the argument for it is this is to say luck. This is a very serious decision that's being made. We don't want anybody to rush into it protect Lee younger women. And there's nothing wrong with compelling if you will a weight of 24 hours in which you read some materials you understand the ramifications of you just says you and then perhaps I'm more intelligent faces you make that decision. That's frankly. What what what what is behind it? The part that I think some people are are are worried about is the part that relates to the disclosure of the physician. We've already had the least that I know of two murders, and they have been more and that's not exactly a good public policy back to the phones runs on the line from Maplewood. Have a question to answer. And yet I think a lot of people don't really use that word properly and they don't think about it properly. So you're not going to be able to come to the right conclusions. Now, let me illustrate in this country. We spend about 14% of GDP on healthcare insurance Canada about 9% The difference is 5% And if you take 5% of 6 trillion dollars, that's about the size of our GDP. Now that amounts to about three hundred billion dollars that I would suggest you Governor really constitutes a form of welfare payments to the healthcare industry, and they and they Healthcare Providers themselves. Frenchtons, a lot of companies are engaged in the in the business of providing healthcare insurance at cut-rate prices to their own members. It's called conscious dating. So if you have cost fifteen going on those people who are receiving large discounts on their on their Healthcare Insurance, Arena effect, putting the load onto someone else that could you have a question then I'd like to find out why I used to denying coverage to people with pre-existing conditions for one thing. People who are engaged within the healthcare insurance business who do nothing, but to decide who can be insured and who cannot be insured are not only there that that's where welfare they're actually counterproductive and he's a pre-existing conditions. And what else did you want to know about most of your concern but you're raising a broader question and that is that why do we call welfare welfare when the fact there's so much other pieces of welfare in it in the budget. Will the truth is you can take a look at any governmental Bhajan in the entire thing is quote welfare, and if you use it on a broad in the face of sure, you're quite right, but in terms of pre-existing conditions, that's one of the things that will be working on. I've been asked to be the new governor on Healthcare with Senator Dole Is to tuck that into a federal bill, I would argue that Health Care reform frankly in terms of the budget is much more Need it, then welfare reform because it takes such a larger part of overall private and public expenditures. The gentleman is very right and we will be working on that. We had heard from the president elect of the AMA a couple of weeks ago gave a speech on midday and he was saying that unless some changes are made essentially Medicare is going to go broke here in the next 20 years on the Block it it could well be true did the arrangement that we're trying to make with Congress and oddly enough Congressman Dash. It was she was the one who proposed it and I told him instantly it you got mail sign up and that was it will get better care back to the States and will loosen up the restrictions and will give you a 5% per year growth factor. That's not bad. Not bad at all. So what I'm saying, is that our problem, we're all thinking whether we want to admit it or not. The way we have thought for the past 30 years in the past 50 years in the past 70 years and we're now being asked think a little differently and if you think a little differently you've been will come up with different kinds of Creative Solutions to existing problems. And that is quite correct. And that's what's so exciting about this transition. So instead of thinking friend since about a budget the way we did five years ago think about the customer and the problem in the needs and can we serviced those needs more cost-efficiently that we currently are and by the way, can we get better outcomes? And you know what the answer more often than not as yes, so when you look at a thing like Medicare or Medicaid or any of these these other programs remember they've been around for whatever it is 30-40 years. They've collected a lot of barnacles. A lot of rust the time has come to scrape it off. To be a little bit creative and I think most States the most Governors you're saying fine. If you want to give that back to us to manage and you're going to accompany with the resources to manager and loosen if you will the restrictions that telling us how to do something. Yeah. We think we can do it cheaper than you can do and by and large that's happened. Now, I would also admonish Governors to remember though that they've got a Porsche more responsibilities and more resources back to local governments at the same time. And that's why we in Minnesota. We're trying to Advocate block grants back to counties and let County start to participate in making some of the tough decisions that now rests with the state legislature. Why because they're in a better position to identify the needs and we are here in st. Paul. So it works all the way down to system are there are going to be problems but there's a bigger problem if we choose to go on the current course, if we choose to think the same way we did 10 years ago biwi Democrat Republican liberal conservative. We're going to have a fight Calamity that's going to do this country under we will be bankrupt. Linda is on the phone now for mainecare with a question for governor. Ardy. Carlson. Do I have a question statement about the whole afdc entitlement program single parent and I was on a FTC unfortunately for a couple of months. I have fortunately got off of it. But my question is in the favor of getting rid of the entitlement at the individual afdc Grant and changing it over to the something like a daycare voucher because I know that my daycare monthly car sometimes is more than my monthly rent. And I think that in the long run that would get more people in the workforce and keep them there and just wondering if you're considering anything like that and that's all I'll hang up and I think it questions very much on targeted. Here's what we like to do. We like to wrap all those legitimate concerns and she's raising one day cares. Into one check or one monthly or bi-monthly supplement and with the with the family investment program here in Minnesota, which were trying to spread to more counties. Also a company that with more intensive help in terms of both job search job training and education, but she's absolutely right, but you see the current system now compartmentalize is everything. And that isn't workable and then it starts to punish people if you go to work to get punished. So a lot of reasonable people say it would be if I go to work and I work more than a hundred hours and I lose my my my my grant I also lose Healthcare. Well, the good part of Minnesota reform and its Health Care system is that weed now do have access into into a healthcare pool so we can provide the healthcare supplement but we can also help people in terms of the jobs at cetera and the numbers are astounding and Hennepin County Friends alone in the Minnesota family investment program. When we matched those people in our program versus those who are not in the program and in both by the way, run welfare, the racial group 3216 s it cost quite a bit more than absolutely absolutely and that's why I don't want the welfare debate framed in the idea that it's going to produce instant savings. Oh, no, it's not it's going to cost us more. We're pumping in about 17 million dollars more just into into welfare alone just to reform that piece of it plus we're putting another 18 million in this is what this young lady is sensitive to into improving the sliding csat fee scale for it. Which is very very key. But the point is I'd rather put more money to help you today succeed tomorrow, then keep pumping out lesser amounts for the rest of your life and then having your children go on welfare, and that's the cycle of dependency that were trying to break experiments in Minnesota and California. Both are very similar. And that is the more intensive help you give towards job training education and and actually working the gradia rods are a success back to the phone. So Steve is on the line from Saint Peter with our next question will hit you know, what a good afternoon when you came into office that last perfect Administration the legislature passed a two-year budget increase of 23.7% over two years. If you take out inflation that's over 8% of your increase in real dollars at the time that people's income was going down then I think the perfect Administration really tried to sabotage. Your efforts when you came into the office. I wish you'd spoken out a little bit more about some of the things that you were subjected to and some of the things you accomplished in other words. I'm either a Republican or a Democrat but I think you had some strong coattails. They could have got a couple more Republican legislators into office possibly this last election because now there's going to be some real battles Can workman's compensation in a few other things address in a reasonable fashion. I'll hang up and listen to 1980s and we got spoiled by the 1980s, at least if you're up a pro-government to individual government was spending on the state level 15% higher than the rising personal income. I mean that was farming very very dangerous. Our last budget has state government spending 30% below the rise and personal income. So so dramatic differentiation in terms Working to get Republican legislators elected. I really believe that you have been since I've pretty well covered just about every County that I can think of in the state of Minnesota get him elected. We did pick up 13 seats. Obviously, we would have preferred a few more and I hopefully in 1996 so we can accomplish that will we have a battle of session? Yeah, we'll have a battle oddly enough. It hasn't come over the budget yet. I'm in if they're there been some some areas of disagreement, but overall, I think everybody accepts several things that we that were not accepted a few years ago. And that is one of that they will be no tax increase. So without a tax increase everybody that have to argue about the allocation of resources and I think that's a very healthy and fair debate. What about Rodger Mullis suggestion senator of Georgia garage remote suggestion that we have a property tax freeze. Well, I don't know if you said that in jest urban service area if it's seriously, I'd like to see him develop a bill first and see exactly how that would work before. We either endorse it or criticize it do you think some more effort is called for to try? Hold on property taxes Bank on on pressure to make sure that local governments do the same thing as we have to do in state government. And that is to live within your existing means. I think the pressure is clearly there are any of you saw it was a good news story couple days ago about salary that local governments and is going to be some pressure from the legislature to either fries or rolled back some of those salaries. I don't have to be supportive of that cuz I think local government should make local decisions just as I would prefer Washington. Set salaries for the state of Minnesota, but I think local governments are catching on I think more and more units are going to begin to catch on that. We're all going to learn to make difficult choices and to live within our means Kathy's on the line from Rochester with a question for governor. Any Carlson. I have to apply the Mescalero Apache tribal members in rejecting the NSP LED utilities plans to check nuclear waste into Mexico. Nobody wants this radioactive waste in their backyard and neither did the Dakota drive at Prairie Island criminal repository at Yucca Mountain vallecito and it's not going to happen anytime soon if it all. Questions that the governor believes in a speed line, but the Mescalero tribe was behind this nuclear waste storage on my land and at the banks of the Mississippi wouldn't become a permanent nuclear waste side. Does he believe that the nuclear industry operates a safe program buy shipping cats without proper documentation? Okay. First of all of them is a prayer. I'm going to turn out to be a permanent disposal site for nuclear waste by the federal government basically said to all of America look develop and utilize nuclear energy. It is safe will set in motion a whole series of rules and regulations. If you abide by these rules and regulations things will be fine. And by the way, we will provide a dumping site for you that we'll be safe. And in return they took money from all the states Millions hundreds of billions of dollars were taken and they haven't about the site. So now States like Minnesota scrambling to find a site in his premature at this time. I have anybody knows what the what's going to happen long-term, but I do think one of the things that will happen if the states will simply have to sue the federal government for performance where I come from that's Consumer Fraud. The citizen did that are for business did that we would say Consumer Fraud and go to court in resolving. They took our money promised something and they haven't delivered now. I don't know whether not feel they will succeed be successful in developing Yucca flats or not, but I do know this it's imperative that they get it done because whether you were I or the or the squalor like nuclear energy, that's not that's not the issue of the fact of the matter is we are utilizing nuclear energy and we are utilizing it under the understanding that it is safe and that we can continue to use it and we have waste we have existing waste we can do away with that weighs we can't wish it away. Now the question is, where is it going to go long-term while the federal government made the promise that they will take care of it long term. So I think you're going to find states are going to sue the federal government says, it's your problem because you charged us for the solution. We paid now deliver the solution. Is a few years ago when this came around wasn't there talk of of having that permanent the repository here in Minnesota. What if what if they came back and said to us while yeah, we've decided to do this and it's going to be in in your backyard. I'll be the most unhappy person around no question about it. The point is I didn't make the promise the federal government ID and the federal government now should deliver on its promise, but but but just thinking from this way, they took hundreds of millions of dollars from the states. And said, we'll do it now. They're not offering to give us the money back and they're not offering to guarantee us a date of completion or one of the depository will be built. I mean if that doesn't sound like breach of contract and I don't know what breach-of-contract is and I don't understand why government should exempt itself from the normal legal standards and imposes upon every other citizen. Carrie's on the line now. They're next question. She calling from my Woodbury and promoting the initiative. I think it was really important showing that many of Minnesota's patterns of growth are neither environmentally or economically sound my question Governor Carleton is do you intend to continue the FBI processed and will the dnr's new ecosystem management approach be part of this process economics job growth job development the utilization if you will of our physical environment compatible with legitimate environmental goals hear your it's basically a more holistic approach. If you will to the management the environment and a question that she's raising is will any of our departments deviate from the policies for the past four years in the answer is no We are very much committed to it. I don't I can't think of any other approach frankly that we could take one is the culture of Minnesota such that we really are committed to be with Democrat Republican or liberal-conservative really want a very very healthy environment. We want fresh water. We want clean water and we have been very very big risk in attacking problems when they occur, but we wanted to do with Wiz with sustainable development. Was was taking more total approach that says job growth economic development is not incompatible with the environment. The DNR will work with all of the Departments of the pollution control agency will work with all the other departments the Department of Agriculture for work with all other departments is it is a difficult yet is difficult many farmers are very concerned about run off their also concerned about the cost. And so we talked into our budget that they would get an environmental tax credit for instance so that we would pay give him a direct dollars buy it by the text for the mechanism 10% of the cost of environmental improvements. So those kinds of incentives can go online we're committed princes to clean up the Minnesota River. So that's part of the continuation of of the budget and no we have no intention of moving away from sustainable development. We just want to make sure that we're getting on Target and they were meeting our goals. He support that bill that would give the governor of the power to veto rules and regulations. I probably shouldn't be so pissed. I just honestly felt that before our staff quickly responded to the question that we have a chance to sit down and chew it over. There are parts of that that I frankly would like but they're also some pitfalls that I think I'm very uncomfortable with but I think the legislature is right in raising that issue. Is there some way to suspend the imposition of a faulty Rule and then subject that to a legislative test and allow the governor in the meantime to lift a true life. I think there's some Merit to that the application and so I just want to spend some more time reviewing it. I mean, I don't want to get inundated with 6000 rules and regulations over the next 6 months either but there are some major areas where I think that that would be helpful. Chris is on the line for Minneapolis. Go ahead Governor regarding related crime. Do you support public-private or criminal regulation of Narcotics? I'm not sure. What you doing. What what what you talkin about other than the reduction of Supply is done by criminals. So the question has to do with the legalization of drugs, whether we would be better off with public regulation or even private complete legalization of drugs rather than absolute prohibition. I think public policy is very very committed to doing everything they can to closing the border to the trafficking of Narcotics and drugs coming in and utilization of of drugs bye-bye, bye-bye people. So I think that pressure going to continue. I don't see any change that policy at all silly or question for gunner Carlson for the first time last Thursday. I was attending a welfare hearing I realized my concern is very small in the big issues Rose Garden out there, right? I think this is an example of how people feel about government. I could not believe the profanity used by the protesters. I was appalled in my native state. I know that that would not have been tolerated where you from by gryffin iowa-iowa also to my wife and I don't think that that type of language. I mean it was very obscene. I felt I mean and I I was just the total lack of disrespect was appalling to me. I mean they were in the state capitol and they were using this kind of language and I was wondering why I'm all for freedom of speech. There's no problem with that, but I just It just really bothered me. It still bothers me that people behave that way and I was wondering why no one at least ask them to tone it down or or something was very expensive. First of all your questions very much On Target. There's been an enormous amount of disrespecting their entire system. I am shocked frankly that there was profanity of the hearing in the chairperson. I did not immediately rule that out of order. You're absolutely right. There's no place for that. There's no there's no reason why reasonable people can't have reasonable discussion without the alization of profanity. It's a simple as that and you're absolutely right. It should be it should be out of the state capital does not belong there and I was in the legislature and I can't imagine any chair person that I ever served the democratic-republican. They would tolerate one profane word be mentioned that gavel would have come down and that would have been the end of it. We also by the way had a pretty strict dress code. I think they should be dignity in government. I think she'd to be dignity and representation. And I think that there should be far far more respect and I like programs like this where people can can respectfully agree and disagree but you get on some program some of these are the more radical talk show programs at yelling and screaming is profanity at accusations or its innuendo. It's smear it's sad because this is a marvelous country regardless of whether or not we agree or disagree with it with a variety of public policies and a maid. I'll tell you the more I travel there's no other place. I'd rather live in a American boy in America's Got to live in Minnesota. And I mean that very sincerely I'll tell you just a quick story cuz it's so true a gentleman came up to me during the campaign Lee said, you know, I used to be pretty critical of Minnesota. Then I went with my church on a mission to El Salvador. He said as I got the south end of the United States more grateful, I was for began to realize we have pretty good roads up here. We have a good And then he said I got to Mexico and I really thought the world to finish up with the head of the United States. They said by the time I got to El Salvador I decided that there's no place in the world like the United States and you're right. I think what happened frequently with people that organized to protest government is it they believe that the way to get on television in the way to make their point is to be as radical and is coarse and as critical as they possibly can and I think that's a tragedy and I think that the leadership both on the on our side and on the side of the legislature should Frankie put it into Cameras are up next to the question for governor, I'm glad you don't get on here often enough. I wish you and if you don't want to go on any of the other so-called radical shows that I probably should have said that I'm going to get in trouble for that one. Anyway, my question in regards to the Target Center deal hasn't even been considered to pay for the Target Center deal with the I believe it's about 20 million are going to remodel the Metrodome with I just don't understand why they need to remodel a Metrodome and then they're looking for this money out of one hand to get to Target on her head that ain't been considered. You are absolutely right. Here's a problem that you have. When the dome stadium was built it was built with bonds and those bonds stipulated that the money made by the stadium commission stayed in a reserve fund dedicated to those bond. In other words. You can't use them for anything other than the stadium itself. That's the problem and the difficulty is that on one hand. We call it the Metropolitan sports facilities commission. It really isn't it's the management Committee of the Metrodome and what I'd like to see happen and it can't happen right now, but when the interest rates go down, I'd like to see the the the commission pay off the bonds and get rid of all those restrictions said you and I both find odorous. And allow them to use that money for the purpose that was really intended. And that is to to promote if you will more Sports in the area. So suffice it to say that money is not available for the Target Center and that is really unfortunate. Believe me. If that were available. It would have been done within 15 minutes private interests going to come up with the 12 and a half million. You need to bridge the gap year optimistic that the can be done. Now, there are people making calls as you and I are sitting here and I'll be making some calls myself I'd be but we we really really don't have much more than a week to get the job done. I think it's going to work out. Let me ask you this. If if you can't raise if the private businesses aren't willing to put in that money. Is there any reason for the taxpayer ID even even remotely think about putting more money for that deal if the people who stand to benefit directly in the most know that that that that that start with all due respect carry that that is not true. These companies have no more interest in it than you do or anybody else and if is real. To buy a million dollars worth of bonds what's in it for them? Absolutely. Nothing just being good citizens and we're selling the bonds on the basis that it offers are but reasonably competitive market rate return know if it's a company's where where to buy these bonds. They're doing it just simply out of out of good public Spirit. Nothing more. They have absolutely nothing specially the gain or anyting else the true. The matter is the losers. I'm sorry to say are you and me we the taxpayers will be the losers. We will lose directly in the state budget for million dollars a year in tax revenue right off the bat will lose 700 jobs will lose over 20 businesses in a large part of Minneapolis with will have lights out and that will become a very serious social concern and you'll be interviewing people here five years from now and how in the world could we be so stupid as to lose that because we are the losers know the companies that were crawling have nothing particularly at stake in terms of preserving the Earth at the Target Center at I just hope that they will kick in and we'll pitching I personally think for us to have to go To the battle that we didn't the legislature to protect Target Center was sad and I mean that I mean you look at what place is like Saint Louis are doing to get professional football back into St. Louis and here were debating on whether or not we want to put in Sixth Sense. We give out for instance in terms of our Economic Development dollars. We invest in everything from from ethanol to Milling plants. You Name It We invested 80 + percent of all the economic development dollars that we pump out go to world, Minnesota. I mean it did right now the taxpayers subsidize in the iron world in the Iron Range and it comes out of their tax base it to the tune. I believe it's a 1.7 million dollars a year. But yet if we talked about $700,000 to to Target Center we act as if some kind of a high crime is committed and and and I think that's unreasonable. The truth is just the revenue generated the money that generator to Hennepin County the money that generated the city Minneapolis the money that generate to the metropolitan area and to the state of Minnesota is over 10 million dollars here just in taxes to say nothing of the jobs in the business is in the life and then end how that helps to find Arc Lobby light. I think what I like Minnesota stunner stand is that if it helps one part of Minnesota, it helps all of us if it helps Mankato, then it helps to lose if it helps Moorhead it helps Rochester. We're all one state one people and I'll tell you leave very very sad. If we lose professional basketball very sad indeed. And by the way, I'm much more of a fan on the Collegiate level on a personal level not to ask you about that too. One more click World of Sports related question McKinley Boston men's halfway. Record the university whatever you heard. Is he going to Florida State? Have you managed to lock him up somewhere and keep him the offer of the offer from Florida State I think will be forthcoming. I think it's an extremely serious offer. I have talked to both Jean Kepler end-to-end Nils hasselmo. Are they both have been wonderful. I think that there's good reason to believe that the Boston would be better served by staying in Minnesota. And as a matter of fact that you yesterday I sent out a box of chocolates to him and I said, yeah things are sweeter in Minnesota FFA Emblem tonight. We're going to have a band in a group of people out there and we're going to welcome him back. He can't believe I think that would be very disruptive. If if McKinley Boston really he's just one of the one of the world's nicest people but he's also a very very effective leader in and we do need him and someday. I think he like to be president of a college. He's he's he's he's a PhD and they be a wonderful President and I would argue that I think is long-term career interest would be better served staying in Minnesota and playing a role in Minnesota besides. I think this is somewhat corneum and maybe someone emotional but you know Boston came out here in the 1960s and at that time I was in grad school and I remember very well watching him play. He was one of our Blue Chip recruit from I can't remember to see the North Carolina, South Carolina and You can't listen to the Minnesota Rouser and not be moved. You can play football at the University of Minnesota and not feeling emotional commitment to the university into the state and I just don't see how we can get for tickly excited, you know to go down to Florida State and cheer their team and they they have different colors and they have different songs and everything is different down there. I think it's hurting his shoulders and so did I just hope that He'll stay we'll see Roxanne's on the line from Cloquet with a question butthead. Bonjour, I know I never did accellence in in French that affect I've got trouble with linger in English. I'm a student here at the Fond du Lac tribal and Community College. And first of all, I understand your ways Susan has visited us on our campus. Send an invitation to you for your very kind. Thank you. I done a date let's take care of that later. And we'll see what we can do to call attention to our Fond du Lac College status, which is given to us last year by the state legislature are full College status and the need for the full funding for a campus because we're in dire need from work classroom space books for a library. It's a beautiful library in the key elements are missing a box. Are we need full-time Support Services director? Some of us really need a full-time attention to put in more funding for Education. The honest truth is there isn't enough money in the world to satisfy the needs of all of the spending systems. And so we have to make the tough choices. We did make the temperature rises. I think eight through twelve got about an 8% increase and it was a much more modest increase for for higher education and will protect leaked lineup on higher education to do is to start to make some of the tough choices if they going to have to make and they're going to have to really start to show some productivity Improvement. And in the merger comes comes into question, the merger was sold in the legislature on the basis that was going to save money and everything. I've seen him in the reverse has been extremely expensive. So we'll see how it works out. But the truth is Minnesota can't afford all the campus is it currently has a we can't afford to fund the system the way that the system currently is and nobody real. Have the political courage to talk about it. So we just kind of passes the buck. But the reality is that the tough choices are going to have to be made we put out the kind of Levi report. I think it was to two and a half years ago when it basically told the color systems to start to specialize and that hasn't happened yet. The truth is most colleges want to be all things to all people in the solution to all problems is for the taxpayers to pay more money will as you well know there's no tax payers standing on the streets protesting for more tax increases as matter fact, they're looking for some tax reductions. So we gave them a modest increase we're asking them to start to look at some productivity issues that they can deal with the internally and start to set some priorities K through 12 education. How is it that the I don't know this is a difficult question. But how is it that the that the average taxpayer the supposed to determine when there school district? Really being honest when they've got to the ball and now they're not crying wolf anymore. Like they really are lean and mean and they're short of money and the kids are starting to suffer and how it's so hard. I mean, my recollection is over the first four years. We increase education funny thing. Is he the 24 25% that's an enormous increase this year was this budget work another 8% And yet we hear the word cut. Let me tell you how the government defines a cut if you come to me and you say I want $100 raised and I give you a $50 raise government says oh that's a $50 cut. I don't look at it. That way. I think you got a pay raise of $50. No funding has gone up will be spending by 1997. I think it's $6,034 per student to stay in school. So one of the things that we're doing to change if you will but the debate and that the does respond to your question is A whole new approach to truson budgeted sending every single taxpayer statement saying hey, here's what is paid for in your community per capita for police or fire for water for sure. Whatever maybe and here's what we spend per pupil. To stay in your school. And then people can sit down Sit. Oh my gosh. I didn't know we spend over $6,000 for one kid to be in one school. That's a lot of money and your education a budget that does that include that take into account that grows in enrollment in per-pupil cost but I think schools going to have to think differently. I think educators are going to have to think differently just as we can tell everybody else that think they're for the week until our commissioners to think Tiffany or agencies to think differently. They've got to decide to wait a minute. Can we change the system the biggest part is? How do you deal with your Shield Teachers Pay? Everybody says well, let's change the labor bargaining locked while we've submitted a a law that we think we'll do it. It it actually allows school boards to say instead of strikes Daleville take binding arbitration. And that would also allow for the Arbiter to have to bring into consideration the the ability of that school district to be able to fund whatever increases is made instead of taking a strike but school districts are fearful of a strike for obvious reasons and salaries is what what drives cost but for anybody to with any degree of sobriety to come on the median say, hey, we could I remember I think it was a je ne rien got on television Central higher education has been cut for the last decade-and-a-half. It was increased the Pace University got on. So all we've been caught we've been taking cut know you haven't we cut the rate of anticipated growth we cut every spending systems request. You know what? I have a sneaking suspicion your radio station does precisely the same thing as a matter of fact, I doubt if there's a single business in America, that doesn't do it the same way everybody asked for more than they get. And government got to learn to do precisely the same thing. We got time for at least one more call her Alice. Go ahead. Thank you very much. I appreciate the chance to ask my question. I'm a long-term State resident. And in fact live in North Minneapolis and both my children were born in the state of Minnesota here. And so I think this is really the state in which my particular problems can be made clear because I am a single parent. I've had to deal with two ex-husbands who were unwilling to provide their appropriate child support and so on. What I'm calling about is in terms of the welfare reform so-called the welfare reform impetus that is being discussed at length and has been discussed today. I want to point out that two areas that have not been raised today and don't seem to be properly addressed are the issues of Child Support Number 1 and domestic violence number two. I'm not a young woman. I'm in my late forties and I briefly because of domestic violence and in my particular case, I'm concerned that with this encouragement of people to go out and be their own employers be entrepreneurs that it's counterproductive. I'm wanting down hard on child support. So that's clearly apart domestic abuse big problem. She's absolutely right on Target also on the agenda Child Support Enforcement. The guy County generals come up with this deal where they got a driver's license to be a business in America President Clinton talked about at the White House conference we have Governor's talked about the White House conference. Are we want to be able to utilize the IRS? Cuz we have a lot of people to travel between states and duck the laws. If you will, we want the IRS to assist us that's on the line. All of that dress is part of any kind of know for all reform package talk of a very important topic talk of at least two Constitutional Amendments of the capital that come to my mind one would change the dedication of money that comes in from the lottery and shift a lot of money to education as opposed to the environment where it goes now. Would you favor that put on that before the voters more money in syndication if that be the case? No, I'm not going to support the expansion of gambling but the governor does not sign off on Constitutional Amendments the Constitution limit. I'd like to see them put on the ballot or unicameral legislature term limits and something that limits their taxes. And the one about capital punishment there was talk about that putting that on the ballot. Do you think that's something that the people I think your daughter should the legislature that kind of Constitutional amendment? I think the people should discuss that one. I'm not so certain of that that will make it to the ballot at this stage. You're going to hear a lot about Constitutional Amendments and bills Etc. But by May many of those concerns disappear nice cover for a Carlson