A special Mainstreet Radio program from East Grand Forks, one year after the flood. MPR's Laura McCallum provides a report on three residents of the Lincoln Drive neighborhood in East Grand Forks, an area severely impacted by the flooding. This is followed by Rachel Reabe interviewing several business people and families who were affected by the flood-- some who rebuilt, and some who moved away.
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They were fighting the Battle of their lives against the Relentless Red River after days of sandbagging and pumping the river flowed over its dikes and through the streets of Grand Forks and East Grand Forks homes and schools and businesses were washed away.Among the hardest hit areas was a close-knit neighborhood of comfortable older homes and middle-class families in East Central Grand Forks for the residents who lived on or near Lincoln Drive the flood took more than their homes and belongings it stole a sense of community that may never be replaced Minnesota public radio's Laura McCollum tells the stories of Three Families from the Lincoln Drive neighborhood at how they're rebuilding their lives After the flood. On April 22nd 1997 thousands of people chased from their homes by the surging Red River Rest into a hangar at the Grand Forks Air Force Base to hear President Clinton offer words of comfort and support. We have hardly ever seen such a remarkable demonstration of courage and commitment and cooperation and basic human strength and we are very impressed and proud to be Americans when we see what you have done. In the audience three neighbors listen to John little Pat Mullen and Susan cutchall all lived within a few blocks of one another all three flood Grand Forks as the Red River spilled over Dykes and poured into their homes after Rising high above National Weather Service projections to Crest at 54 feet. 26 feet above flood stage The Mullins & Koch has lived on Lincoln Drive their backyards bordering the river John Littles house stood a couple of blocks away on Chestnut. There was a sense of comfort even relief in the air base Hangar a huge change from the confusion and Terror described in the pages of Susan cutshall's diary in the days leading up to the president's visit. April 17th 97 it happened in the afternoon at the dike had for Christ of the end of Lincoln Drive Byron blue police game cars fire trucks helicopters, and I wrote down we pack clothes and cleared out the refrigerator over to 207 Chestnut when we thought we would be safe. 1:15 Friday we heard on the radio that the Lincoln gave in. It's filling up Lincoln Lagoon. They call it. We walked all the way home not knowing what to expect two houses from us. You can see the water coming up. Cheers. Fell down my cheek. I got up at 4:30 Friday. The sirens are going off the phone to ring it. The woman I was staying with Maryann Allen woke me up and said that was a call for prayer. We did and I like to do is Imagine everybody praying to God to stop these Waters. cuz we can't We tried. We went through town very very slow creepy where is still scared? Because of that engine stall door right in the middle of it. We thought we were going to air base instead. We went to Faith Community Church on the other side and we thought we were safe. We got up at 7 a.m. To find out the water is getting closer and closer. So here we are doing it again and we went for shelter at the air base and I told my husband if it comes out this far I'm leaving the whole state. I've had enough I can't run away anymore. By the time President Clinton tour Grand Forks the cut channels and their neighbor John little I've been staying on canvas cuts at the base for 3 Days little a wiry man with a shock of curly hair move to Grand Forks in 1969, but you never know what to hear his southern accent the University of North Dakota English Professor fully expected to be at the base another week or two trying to wait and and I do enjoy fishing and I'm enjoying watching the people but it would be nice to take a shower. I had heard the gurgle of his basement filling the night before he evacuated and like many at the base. He wasn't sure what condition is home would be in when he returned but that mon already knew flood waters reach the rooftop of her two-story home or husband a Grand Forks Police Officer Patrol the area knew they would not return to 501 Lincoln Drive. In Lincoln Drive area that whole neighborhood is a real close neighborhood. So it's hard. Three weeks later made Mae Mullins neighborhood is deserted. The only sound of wind chimes still hanging in her backyard. Some nearby homes were forced off their foundations by the force of the flood water Mullins blue seventy-five-year-old home is marked off by yellow police tape inside floors have buckled half bride mud is peeling off the kitchen counters in her refrigerator is toppled over on can't spend any time there the homes musty flood smell brings on her asthma at a restaurant on the other side of town mall and says her neighborhood is destroyed and I look at my neighbor's house and Senate cry. It's hard. It's quiet in Grand Forks. Now that the Red River is back within its banks as residents return to their homes in the days following the flood many directed their anger at the National Weather Service for it's an accurate prediction of the river's Crest an army of volunteers is still helping with disaster relief in Grand Forks, but the satellite Farms of the TV Crews have withered away almost to nothing and the visit by national politicians have stopped that moan and her husband. Jim are staying with her mother and a two-bedroom trailer. They've decided to move to North Carolina where their daughter lives when Jim retires from the police department January Charles who lived a few blocks away on Higher Ground are renting a rundown trailer in nearby emerado. Not sure whether to clean up their house which got about a foot of water on the main floor or wait for a possible buyout both Samoans and catch alls homes are on What's called the wet or wrong side of a proposed new Dyke City officials are considering to protect Grand Forks from future flood. Although it isn't likely to be built for several years. Only John little is living in his home again. So, what's your birthday? When little small dark basement flooded a brick wall caved in but the water didn't reach his main floor little knows he was fortunate but he did spend a miserable 5 days pumping out his basement without the benefit of heat running water or electricity week of my life working in that dungeon with with that muck and there's no easy way that no way to glamorize what it was like in that basement. I had a Coleman lantern and and a flashlight. And ask Ouija board and a push broom and 5 gallon buckets so that you were just hauling that muck out of their little is glad to be back in his two story home when she's been restoring for more than a decade one of his teenage twin Sons lives here to the 58 year-old English Professor has lawn plan to stay until he retires to his home state of Mississippi is a few years he admits he second-guess himself a few times not because of the flood but because he didn't apply soon enough to get any of the so-called Angel Money an anonymous donor pledge 15 million dollars to Grand Forks flood victims to be distributed in no strings attached $2,000 grants little says he put off a plane because he hates filling out forms and standing in line and now the money's gone everything that the Shih Tzu shed and that I heard through the grapevine led me to believe that you didn't have to rush. To get the money. I thought it was kind of guarantee. So I felt like they had misled man that made me better enough. I'm ashamed to say that I thought I don't want to be here anymore. But I have since backed off of that. You know, now that you have time to think about about ironically North dakotans who lost their homes to a reservoir. It's early July nearly three months after the flood Lincoln Drive is still devastated little has changed here except now a few Baron lots are evidence Grand Forks has begun tearing down houses city council has approved the first phase of a plan to buy out flood damaged homes officials delayed a decision until Congress approved a disaster relief bill allocating more than 1 billion dollars to Minnesota and The Dakotas latest damage estimate for Grand Forks alone is more than 500 million dollars owls have decided to buy a new house 17 miles away in emerado far from the flood-prone river sitting in front of 7 Lincoln Drive, Dennis cutshall is resigned to leaving the place. They called home for almost a decade and a half. I guess that's fine with making us decide to leave cuz the neighborhood going to be gone. Even if our house stay the neighborhood gone. it's an old-fashioned type of neighborhood where you can sit out and wave at people who kids are playing their bikes and everything is so that's good afternoon. I'm Rachel reading. We're continuing this Main Street broadcast live from East Grand Forks. We're broadcasting from the city council chambers here. Just a block from the Red River headed the council chambers with me this afternoon. We have John little and Dennis and Susan patchell Pat Moen is joining us from station wfae in Charlotte North Carolina. Welcome to all of you. They give you all lived in the same part of Grand Forks and you all lost your homes in last year's flood but a year after the flood you've made very different decisions about what direction to go Dennis and Susan you have stayed in the area but move 17 miles out of Grand Forks and John your house is going to be bought out. But at this point you remain they have you and your husband moved across the country to North Carolina. Let's talk about why you decided to do what you did bad. Was it more? Painful to stay then to leave. I think it was we have our daughter and our grandkids here in Kannapolis. And we had to make the decision whether to come and be with them or try to find the place that was like Lincoln Drive in Grand Forks. It was a like close today before it was hard to see us all going different directions not knowing where any of our neighbors were going. We wanted to be close to them. But I also wanted to be close to my daughter and my grandchildren. As you move now across the country to North Carolina and the rebuilding goes on here do you keep up with a quite closely or do you try to forget about it? You can't forget about friends on neighborhood and what's happened to them you will never forget that Dennis and Susan let's talk about did you also toy with the idea of just moving? I mean you had a lot of options I suppose when your house is taken. Oh, yes, we we did think about leaving real quick and and well and the other half, why would we be running away that mean you can't run away from the weather. It's going to strike you wherever you are. So that's how I looked at it. So This is Pat said she has grandkids down there. We have grandkids up here in Grand Forks and his son and daughter. So we still have connections here. Plus we still like Grand Forks. We work here volunteer. Why emerado? we were going by what was available Grand Forks obviously had a severe housing problem right after the flood and with what the SBA was willing to loan us what we can put together that just happened to be the correct choice that fell into the Be alright range ever be home to you. No, no park again. She couldn't have the neighborhood back. So do you just settle for something else? Basically when you've lived at Lincoln Drive for 12 and a half years, even if you've been bought an out, we still consider that as our home. It was our first home we bought And I all my kids grew up. There are young. This was 2 years old and now she's 15. And so, you know, I'm being ex-military. We have only used to being in one state for three or four years at a time. So this is where you put down your right by Linkin Park Lincoln Drive. There is a big difference cuz there is a Linkin Park. Yeah, I'm still living in my house, and I'll be there as long as the city will let me stay there, but eventually I will reply. I hope to retire in Oxford, Mississippi. Does it seem so odd to still be there? No, I die like my house, you know, I got a I got a house with hardwood floors and fireplace in the bay window upstairs. And and I I do if I found a house I have our own really sure. I think I've it is is home. I just wish it were not quite so close to the Red River of the north. I wish it were in Oxford Mississippi. I wish it were where I could I'd love to move that house down Oxford when I retire I'll leave this afternoon about an hour from now and try to look for a half. Hopefully I can find one this weekend and with the sba's Happy by I don't know that that's going to happen. But hopefully it will Oxford is I've always felt like I went to school and Ole Miss in the fifties and and I'll spend a couple of sabbaticals are away from home for so I look forward to going there. I drove down Lincoln Drive yesterday. And a year after the flood in some sense. It looks like the waters could have receded last week still homes are broken windows. A lot of lot of Destruction still standing there. Do you go back? What he wants to drive back through their back when we still had the house. I drove back every day, but I find myself driving through there maybe once a week or so and I guess there's a check to see if the house is still standing and see what's going on down there. We haven't completely that break yet. I wasn't prepared for the homes turned into Billboards that I saw when I drove through there last night sightseers go home with Rachel s house down and die. I think Rachel you had to be there a lot of sense of betrayal on the part of people. Do you sense that John as you continue to live there? Is it like a ghost town? Certainly? There are houses that are inhabited very close to the blocks where houses are deserted where my neighborhood is still there. Unlike Lincoln Drive. You don't next door neighbor is leaving at the end of this month and they were they were very close friend going to Maple Lake there will bend and I will miss them a lot. So that's going to be a major blow when they leave. But my neighbor on the other side is going to be there when I'm gone. There will be a slight Gap at 2 in my neighborhood, but nothing like the destruction that was in Lincoln Drive. So I don't we don't have the kind of trauma that Dennis and Susan experience. Our phone lines are open this afternoon. If you would like to call us during this special Main Street broadcast on the flood you can do that at one 800-537-5252. We have Denise from Minneapolis on the phone. Good afternoon. Like I'm a Twin Cities residents. I have a Grand Forks roots and and grew up and spend some time on Lincoln Drive went to Lincoln Elementary. So I've been sat over here for the fate of the street. That was my original question is is is Lincoln Drive neighborhood is Lincoln Drive gone. Is it anything going to be rebuilt as everybody going to be disbursed forever? And an unrelated question is what is the role that neighborhoods are playing to help rebuild themselves here in the Twin Cities? We have a neighborhood revitalization program where people are active in an Empower to help make decisions in revitalizing and in rebuilding neighborhoods in it. Is that kind of thing playing out at all. Parks and I'll hang up with him. Thank you. Let's take the first part of your question Susan of those homes on Lincoln Drive all coming down. And pizza isn't like the both of the mayor's they're both deciding where the bikes are going to be even though our neighbors which is right on a Monte they have to leave to and because the deck is coming right through their living room. So federal guidelines, they can't rebuild residents there. They can only make it in a Greenway or parking lots. Would you live there again? If they said to you today at the call came in and they said Dennis and Susan will build your exact house just like it was right there on your same lot. Would you say? Okay, we're coming back from emerado or would you say I can never live there again? I think there are a lot of days when we would say yeah, like coming back and then there's there's others when we think of the water coming over to be very hard to go back. I mean nothing is going to be the same ever again once you leave it's hard to go back because you want it to be like it was before the flood and I can't pee because everything is changed. How would you respond to that? If they said they could take your house and fix it up as good as new would you come home? How do we still got you on the line from Charlotte, North Carolina? Are you there? I can hear you. Yeah, I probably would if I could talk to my daughter to come home I missed it my friends. I have Miss the neighborhood and to answer one of Denise's questions. I wish people could see how bad Lincoln Drive really looks the signs on the house is as you can, and then about you had to be there. It was bad enough to lose your house. Then you had people going through your house. Taking what they wanted and you're standing in there being violated and people got angry. It's hard to explain it. It's a very hurt feeling. I read the article in the paper about people arrested for looting in these houses and people trying to burglarize what's left at that point. Did you feel like choking somebody was there a since Dennis of come-on actually that was one of the reasons we moved so quickly to buy another house because you know help with her a lot of people came and helped us we saved much of our stuff. And we thought we had to get it out of there as soon as possible. When you're going to get over this, this is a year now since the flood would you have thought a year ago, but if I could just get through this year and then life is going to be happy and we're going to smile again or is there a year later is there since she is not moving quite as quickly as I would have liked it to at least on an emotional front Susan. How would you answer that? It's a good question. Sometimes I think it goes fast because I volunteer for a child day care center and I have a good news at the house twice a week Good News Club to teach children about God. And it goes real fast, but you know as far as I still sit down the right 7 Lincoln Drive. And I still got the old phone number 775-503-6890 and after all these years of doing that it's hard that you do know. It's not it it's easier to switch from 97 to 98 and it is from living somewhere for it's going to take a long time. You know, we still have things in our house and our new house but still have water all over my haven't got the chance to clean them yet besides that I've noticed a lot about flood water. No matter how many times you clean it comes back. There's a film that will not be erased and I think that's the way it is with our lives today from Grand for it's a film that will never be over rice. It will always be there whether you have adjusted. To me, you won't recover 100% maybe 98, but that 2% is still there. It's like Memories when mayor Pat Owens was on this morning. She talked about. We will be stronger. We will be better. We won't be the same the will be different. Do you have to at some point think it can't be the same. It can't be the same quit wishing. It could be the same to you almost mentally Shake Yourself and think okay turn around and look forward now. I think that's exactly right. We have to think things won't be to your normal to have to be the new normal. Let's continue this. Yeah. I look forward to the time that I'm going to go to Oxford Mississippi and live. I ain't that the way that my chapter is going to be closed on it. I don't I don't think that's going to happen real soon you're not I don't know when I'm going to be able to retire that. I'm going to retire soon as I can but that's still three or four years I think down the road. But I'm going to leave a couple of boys who consider Grand Forks home here. I would I expect to be coming back in the summer times and you're going fishing a lot of my favorite fishing hole during their state and Minnesota and Manitoba. So I expect to be commuting back here, time to flood is going to be behind me. There is going to be no residue and no film on my soul. Maybe I'm lucky that way. I saw the flood is a massive inconvenience to me personally, but I never cried over anything that I lost I didn't have to so I consider myself lucky. I don't know how my life is going to be in Oxford. I don't know that I can find a house that you don't ever know that she don't know what the future holds. I don't know what the future holds and and and I'm still in a state of chaos because I don't know how long I'm going to be in my home when I'm going to sell it to all of that in the future. But the Red River when it retreated from my life after I got back in it all that it did was inconvenience me. Are phone lines are open this afternoon one 800-537-5252. I'm Rachel reabe in this is a special Main Street radio broadcast from East Grand Forks. We have Dennis and Susan patchell with us here as well as John little that. No one joins us from station wfae in Charlotte, North Carolina. Dr. Denise. Tuohy is a psychologist and professor at the University of North Dakota in Grand Forks Dr. To a Welcome to our show today. I want to ask you about those talk about these stress scale that we're going to be on it how U ranking on the stress scale. What does a flood the chase is 61,000 people out of their homes. What is that do on the stress scale? Well, I think it puts you about off to church because so many of the things that people have been talking about already today. Our separate items on the stress scale losing a home with a job conflict in relationships with seeing a huge increase in domestic violence. For example of people at the at our University Clinic have been coming in more often for relational difficulties couples therapy children. I guess I've been extremely traumatized and so my parents are traumatized re-traumatized by trying to help their children and there's just a whole host of things that set one another off. Are men and women they deal very differently with us. We just heard Susan say there will always be a film from the flood on my life. Then John little sitting across the table said there will be no film in my life from the flood is that not a typical but is that not an unusual difference in how people look is there a difference X's or is it just difference of Personality? Well, I study gender that's my primary research interests and I was kind of smiling to myself and actually I looked over and saw a student from our program. Send text when I was listening to Temple of thought because he does seem to kind of fun portrayed. It is a stereotype but in some ways it's also a very real portrayal of what a lot of potential differences in this community of look like I wrote an article on Coping with the flood gender differences. I was talking about men mainly and how they're kind of fallen heroes in a sense. I heard the word hero also a lot throughout this broadcast. You know, what we asked Community where all heroes but men are heroes in a different way in a in a disaster and and I think some of your coping skills are different John then than mine. For example, I mean, although you speak painfully about what pumping out the basement was like for you I think that it's how many more insecurities in me or in Pat? I'm just because I haven't been socialized to know how to do those things. So when I see men, you know rushing in with hammers and nails and Pumps and Equipment and duct tape, I have to laugh at Marsha Harris is article in the herald because she said a flight is a guy thing, you know, and in some ways a natural disaster gives men something to do with that. They've Always been good at doing. So men and women do feel very differently. Well, that's yes, I think so and and I did have kind of a reaction from some men who read this article of mine saying what am I trying to say that that it's healthy to cry but yes, and I mean we know from you know, sitting grief literature and sliding away is the grief process coping with the natural disaster is a grief process. And when I hear you talking about going back to your house and saying goodbye, it's it's your lucky that I mean, you're lucky course. None of us are lucky. But but the physical remains is there and you can say goodbye and and I think that's a very healthy coping mechanism and I think men don't don't cry. We don't have I used. I didn't lose anything in the flood that made me cry and and that's a fact so you still live there long. It's not like you you sound like you might have arrived yesterday from Mississippi, but you haven't you lived here for a long time. I had an accident when I came. I'm sure but most of it is just gone is gone. I do. You know, I have noticed that I don't sleep as much. I keep books on my bed now and and I bet he often will read two or three times during the course of a not that may be a function of stress. I don't know. I don't feel like I'm suffering the whole lot not have suffered those god-awful days when you had to spend hours on the telephone trying to find somebody to put lights in a butt in electric box in or so a lot of frustrations a lot of things to get upset about that. But yeah, I guess I feel like There is no, not. Scars from from the flood for me, but I didn't lose. I didn't lose a lot of people lost. You know, I'm going to lose my bow, and I'm going to miss it. But it's not going to make me cry. Now. This program is coming to you live from East Grand Forks. They're brand new city council chambers main streets. Dan Gunderson is with somebody in the audience with a question or comment. Damn. Yes. Linda is a Grand Forks resident. She moved here just in time for the flood. She says when she has a question for Denise to it at some of your articles about French responses that genders have the intimacy thing and those of us who are in the middle health field in this area have noticed a real dramatic increase in the number of couples coming in for counseling. I'm wondering if you could comment on that if you think it's related to the way people are coping with a flood That's a good question. I think that some of the differences that we've just been talking about create those conflicts and relationship. For example, John if you were married and your wife was crying every day and telling you about all the things that you lost and you're saying over and over again while I pick you know, I didn't lose anything you might have quite a bit more attention, then you would have before the flood and so I think sometimes the differences in coping Styles can can cause those conflicts in a natural disaster really brings those out. What's a skewed you and your husband have you reacted very differently to the flood and how your lives have changed as a result of the flood. We had to act different Butch had to be on top of Lincoln Drive watches for house. Go underwater stop his neighbors from going into the neighborhood at times. So I didn't cry a lot in front of him. I held it back to be strong for him. But the same breath. I always knew if I had to cry he would be there. We're strong for each other. We work well together as a couple and we've had our cried together, but it's been in North Carolina it was I'm in Grand Forks. We like I said, we miss our neighbors are friends, which was a place of a server for 31 and a half years. So he's had a lot of public contact a lot of friends that we had to leave behind. So the pain of that as well, we spent much of our show talking with adults of how the flood has impacted them how they're putting their lives back together. What about the children that how are they coping one of the elementary schools destroyed by the flood was in the Lincoln Neighborhood where John little Pat Mowing and the culturals all lived the children of Lincoln Elementary School now relocated to a church building created a book of poems about their flight experience. Let's listen to how some of the children remember the flood team around after school. But now it was deserted lonely and sad when I saw my school it was so lonely. The swing was swaying back and forth really slow with a little squeak each time. It went back and forth. The doors are chained up making it look Erie. It looked like no one had ever been in our school four years. It's like the end of all those memories. I tasted Fruit Roll-Ups when I was evacuated I heard about the fire people were worried and serious. I had to be evacuated twice. I felt nervous. I was embarrassed when walking in puddles with my uncle and my boots got stuck twice when we came off right in the middle of a puddle and I couldn't balance. So I put my phone in the mud. I had to take a shower and change my socks. My dad said that the water would never trickle to her house, but I know not that even though people say things it's not always true and that water can change a person's life so much. I evacuated to Valley City. I was worried as I thought about it for house was drowning. I was worried as I thought about if there's anything to come back to I was worried as I comb my hair to go to Washington Elementary in my stomach is felt like a bomb has exploded my legs felt like they were in the next room when we got home for evacuation. We had to clean clean the basement that smells like mold in Old Gloppy Gunk. We also had to chip the tile off the basement floor when the hammer struck the The Red Cross food was kind of gross. It tasted like all dried out things. I looked around and on burns were piles and piles of old flooded stuff. I picked up some mud. It was like mashed potatoes and applesauce. I saw my school get torn down. I felt like crying but I did not I could talk forever and ever but I will not the hardest thing to throw away for my stuffed animals Before the Flood my stuffed animals, but soft and furry a favorite one was my cuddly Mickey Mouse. Oh, my stuffed animals looked so need together. They always smell fresher than fresh. In the flood game all of my toys were wiped out. I felt sticky and gooey. All of my stuffed animals look like brown pieces of junk Bloods and more of the stuff cuz I thought it's hard to get through them people put their heads around cup their faces with their hands and SOB. Again, those are the children of the Lincoln Elementary School with poems that they have written about the flood doctor to hear a psychologist professor at University of North Dakota in Grand Forks your reaction to some of the comments of the children while I wrote down a few of the comments while I was listening because they were so powerful that images. The one was about the house was drowning and I think that's a typical thing that children want to do is to make inanimate objects into people and then they can talk about what that feels like and how that house must feel but I noticed that little girl didn't really want to talk about how she felt and and I was concerned about that. She said she would not cry and she could cry all day, but she won't she could talk all day, but she won't and I thought this could be a problem. I think she's getting socialized into the same system that. John little was brought up with and I think she could have some difficulties later. So as adults people need to encourage children. To talk about it to write about it. I mean even this Elementary School that they are writing poems about it. They put together a quilt about the flood those sorts of things help or absolute those creative activities that give the children a chance to express themselves some maybe non-verbally if if they can't talk but but help them to acknowledge that there has been a change in their life. I also think it's very important how parents talk to them about the flood and to validate their feelings and like if they are feeling sad or if they miss their house or if they feel like they want to go home, even if they're in a new home that just feels like a house so far Pat your comment and I'm reminded me of the daughter of one of my colleagues who every now and then says she has to go home because her new house isn't home yet. Susan you and Dennis have a daughter that still lives at home. Has it been hard when you are in his totally traumatic situation and have all of the economic worries in the insurance in the buyout in the angel fun at all those things going on. And your own grief and pain. How do you then have anything left over to help the people you love cat through it? I would say the word pray a lot. I think. God has provided all that out ends before and after enduring, you know, and even our own daughter. She has no reflection on the flood and that worries me because it needs to get out as soon as possible because barring this isn't going to help and she doesn't say much, you know, it's an age where they wouldn't talk. Anyway, there wasn't your daughter working now while I just turned fifteen. Yeah, so weather she's been through flooded. She probably still wouldn't be talking to her parents as much as I would to her peers when she moved was she able to stay in the same school of the same group of friends or is she dead for 6 months. She went to Central hand and the first time ever and Central so and so basically now she's going to Larimore school being bust and she likes it there still learning new friends, but you still keeping her old friends cuz you know, just like Pat Mullins daughter. Was our older daughter's friend and they've been friends since 12:15 years. So the families in the neighborhood. Denise have you seen lots of children come in for counseling have the counseling services here been overwhelmed with the response or is there something about Scandinavian Farmers that don't take well to counseling actually both of those are our true. I think initially there people weren't didn't have time to go to counseling because they were too busy just trying to put their electricity back and the furnace and so forth, but recently there's been surprising increasing Mental Health Services in in the area Northeast Human Services with expecting their queso to start decreasing now, but instead it's on the increase domestic violence has gone up by 47% in this community tried to find out about substance abuse and although the hospital doesn't the number of admissions isn't a good way to try to assess what that kind of. Looks like the alcohol sales have increased considerably in this community. And I think that that all kind of goes together and make sense. If people are coping in a lot of different ways and sometimes not in the healthiest ways. Do you see clearly the different stages of going through this and we talked about the bargaining the anger the denial of this isn't a death situation but in a way it is a death situation, right? Well people in the trauma literature have their own stages. There are four of them the hero stage the disillusionment stage the anger and then rebuilding and I heard that one say this morning that she feels as a community were in the anger stage. So almost through, you know, it takes one to three years probably and as I mentioned before individuals don't go through the stages and necessarily the same way as men and women might not go through the stages in the same ways. We are out of time pat Moen Dennis and Susan patchell John little thank you for sharing your lives with us. Denny's to me. Thanks for joining us today as well. This special Main Street radio broadcast is a production of Minnesota Public Radio or engineer. Today is Rick kaczenski on location and Randy Johnson in St. Paul. 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We closed the special to our Main Street broadcast with a piece of music written by Jay Robert Hanssen to commemorate the flood and Son lived on the Red River for 27 years in Moorhead ratata, Concordia College and conducted the Fargo-Moorhead Symphony commissioned by the Grand Forks schools. The piece premiered last week performed by the combined bands of Grand Forks Central and Red River high schools. The composer's program notes explain the piece opens with quiet percussion clarinets provide a steady Rhythm intended to represent the constant flow of the river. 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