12 + midday continues here on Minnesota Public Radio. Good afternoon. I'm Gary ican. Glad you could tune in and we hope you'll be able to stay tuned over the hour. We're going to be broadcasting that presidential debate. First know before we get to the debate. We do want to bring you up-to-date on the weather forecast. There is a high wind warning in effect for Northwestern and West Central Minnesota this afternoon, very very strong winds in an area roughly north and west of a line from Montevideo through Willmar up to Baudette. You can look for winds up to 40 miles per hour gusts over 50 miles per hour and then of course the snow is starting out west as well and that could cause some blowing and drifting this afternoon reducing visibility is making driving more difficult would look for rain across all of the State snow is likely in Western Minnesota as well. Today temperatures will be dropping through the afternoon.So stay tuned for continuing changing weather developments. Exactly. The Weather Service says some heavy snow accumulations are possible in Western and Northern Minnesota by tomorrow. Well, presidential candidates Bill Clinton and Bob Dole held their second and final debate of the campaign last night and today during this expanded version of midday were going to rebroadcast that debate. So you get a second chance to hear for yourself with a candidate had to say then about 1:30 will be joining a conversation about the character issue whether it's fair game is a campaign issue or so a rebroadcast of last night's presidential debate Town Hall session in San Diego with moderator Jim Lehrer. I'm Jim Lehrer of the NewsHour on PBS. Welcome to the 2nd 1996 presidential debate between Senator Bob Dole the Republican nominee and President Bill Clinton the Democratic nominee. It is sponsored by the commission on presidential debates. We will follow a town hall. Format tonight the questions orThe next 90 minutes will come from 113 citizens of the greater San Diego area. They were chosen in the past week by the Gallup organization to represent a rough cross-section of Voters as to political views age gender and other factors each said he or she is undecided about this presidential race. They were told to come tonight with questions. Nobody from the debate commission or the two campaigns has any idea what those questions are. Neither do I we will all be hearing them for the first time at the same time. I met with a group 3 hours ago and we spoke only about how it was going to work tonight. They are sitting in five sections. I will call on individuals at random moving from one section to another with each new question alternating the questions between the two candidates. My job is to keep things fair and the subjects as clear and as varied as possible theGirls Gone by the campaigns are basically the same as they were for the Hartford in St. Petersburg debates 92nd answers 62nd rebuttals 32nd responses for each question. The candidates are not allowed to question each other directly. There will be two minute opening and closing statements. The order for this evening was set by coin toss We Begin now with Senator Dole and his opening statement send a thank you very much again. Let me first give you a sports update. the Braves won Cardinals nothing early on I want to thank you and I want to thank everybody here tonight. And I want a special thanks to my wife Elizabeth my daughter Robin for their love and support and thank the people are listening or watching watching all over America. in 20 days You will have to decide who will lead this country Under The Next Century. It's an awesome responsibility. And you must ask yourself, you know enough about the candidates needs to know as much as possible that each of us. Sometimes so the views have been distorted and millions and millions of negative dollars and negative advertising Spent distorting My Views, but I hope tonight. You'll get a better feel of who Bob Dole is and what he's all about. I think first you should. I should understand it. Question on your mind as well. I understand your problem. But I understand that it occurred to me and I might just say that I'm from a large family. I got lots of relatives. And a good average middle-class hard-working American they live all across the country. They're not all Republicans. Maybe all the one the nanny event. I understand the problems. Whether it's two parents working because one has to pay the taxes and one has to provide for the family whether it's a single parent or just barely pays the pressing bills. What are you worried about an education for children going to the best schools or what? Are you worried about? Safeway grounds drug-free schools Prime preschools. This is what this election is all about, and hopefully tonight when we conclude this debate, you will have a better understanding and the viewing and listening Audience by the better understanding. Thank you. Fresno to Modesto I was going to fall to Well, thank you, Jim. And thanks for the people of San Diego. For giving us this opportunity to have another discussion about the decision. We all face in front of people who will make the decision. Again, I will say I'll do my best to make this a discussion of ideas and issues not insults what really matters is what happens to your future and what happened to our country as we stand on the brink of a new century time of extraordinary possibility. I have a simple philosophy that I tried to follow up in the last 4 years. Do what creates opportunity for all what reinforces responsibility from all of us and what will help us build a community where everybody's got a role to play in a place at the table. Compared to four years ago, we're clearly better off. We've got 10 and 1/2, maybe more jobs. The deaths has been reduced by 60% income to Rising for the first time in a decade the crime rates. The welfare rolls are falling. We're putting a hundred thousand more police on the street 60,000 felons. Use Edition stalkers have been denied handgun. but that progress is only the beginning what we really should focus on tonight is what we still have to do to help the American people make the most of this future without their I think what really matters is what we can do to help build strong families. Strong families need a strong economy to me. That means we have to go on a balance this budget while we protect Medicare and Medicaid and education the environment we should give a tax cut targeted to child-rearing and education to buying a first home and paying for healthcare. We are to help protect our kids from drugs and guns and gangs tobacco. We are to help move a million people from welfare to work. We also create the finest education system in the world where every 18 year old can go on to college and all of our younger children have great Educational Opportunity. If we do those things we can build a bridge to the 21st century. That's what I hope we get to talk about tonight. Thank you. I let's go now to the first question from this section and its percent of your goal as man. Hello, Senator, Joel my Shannon McAfee. I'm a beginning educator in this country and I really think it's important that children have to say they're still very idealistic and they everything they say comes from the heart. I have a quote for you from if I were president compiled by Peggy Gavin a sixth grader says if I would pay if I were president, I would think about Abraham Lincoln and George Washington and what they did to make our country great. We should unite the white and black people and people of all cultures Democrats and Republicans should unite all so we should all come together and think of the best ways to solve the economic problems of our country. I believe that when we are able to come together and stop fighting amongst ourselves. We will get along a lot better. These are the ideals and morals that we are teach we are trying to teach our children in these days. We don't seem to be practicing them in our government and anything if you are President, how would you begin to practice what we are preaching to our children the future of our nation? Well, I can say first of all, I think it's very good question. I appreciate the quote from the young man. There's no doubt about it that many American people have lost their faith in government. Lacey scandals almost on a daily basis Macy ethical problems in the white house today. They see 900 FBI Files private person being gathered up by some in the white house. Nobody knows who hired this man. So there's a great deal of cynicism out there. I've always tried and whatever I've done is bring people together. I said in my acceptance speech in San Diego. 2 months ago. The exits are clearly marked if you think the Republican Party. It's someplace for you to come if you're narrow-minded or bigoted or don't like certain people in America. The exits are clearly marked for you to walk out of as I stand Here Without compromise. Cuz this is the party of Lincoln. I think we have a real obligation obviously public officials. I'm no longer a public official. I left public life on June 11th of this year. But it is very important young people are looking to us there. You looking glass for leadership? They're watching what we do what we say what we promised and what we finally deliver. And I would think seems to me that there are opportunities here and I'm press United States. I will keep my word. My word is my bond. One of the reasons that I ran for president Sundays because not just children a lot of grown-up stuff that way if you remembered for years ago we had Not only Rising unemployment but a lot of Rising Sun assistant I've never worked in Washington is an elected official. It seemed to me that the most of the arguments were partisan Republican Democrat Left Right liberal conservative. That's why I said the nighttime for opportunity responsibility and community and we've gotten some real progress in the last four years. I've also done everything I could at every moment of division in this country after Oklahoma City when these churches were burned to bring people together and remind people that we are stronger because of our diversity we have to respect one another dimension Washington and Lincoln they were presidents of historic times. This is an historic time. It's important that we go beyond those old partisan argument and focus on people and their future when we do that. Set up shutting the government down over a partisan fight on the budget. We are better country and that's why we're making progress now. Well bringing people together again. It's obviously a responsibility. We all have a no you do it. Everybody here doesn't do a lot of things. Nobody knows about I have a little foundation for the disabled call the door Foundation. We raised about 10 million dollars. We don't talk about it. We try to help people with disabilities bring them back into the mainstream of public life. So it seems to me that there's also a public trust when you're the prize United States. You have a public Trust. You have to keep that public trust as George Washington and Abraham Lincoln did and I think now that dress is being violated that seems to me we ought to face up to it. And the Press not to say tonight. He's not going to Pardon anybody. He was involved in business with who might implicate him later on. Write the next question from the section right here right there in the middle. Sarah gets her. Dr. Robert Berkley cardiologist from California. Mr. President. I'd like to know if you would please explain your plans for in a substitute fashion for addressing the problems with the healthcare system in our country. I will first of all, let me say what we have done. And the last four years we worked hard to promote more competition to bring down the rate of inflation and health care cost without eroding Healthcare quality the government pays for Medicare and Medicaid as you know, and that's very important. Secondly. We've added a million more children to the ranks of the insured for the Medicaid Program. We have protected 25 million people for the passage of the Kennedy. Kassebaum bill that says you can't use your health insurance if you change jobs for someone in your family has been sick. We just recently ended those drive by delivery. Same people can be kicked out of the hospital by insurance companies. They just had babies. So this is that's a good start in the next four years. I want to focus on the following things number one and another million children to the Ensure drinks for the Medicaid Program number to keep working with the states as we are now, they had 2.2 million more people to the insurance system. Number 3 cover people who are between jobs for up to six months. I could protect 3 million family 700000 kids and number for make sure we protect the Integrity of the Medicare program in the Medicaid Program and not do anything in cutting costs which would cause hundreds of hospitals to closes could have been the case if the 270 billion dollar Medicare cut that I vetoed have been an accident law. First let me say there you go again this present song about a Medicare cut. I've heard you say this time after time. I've heard you say on one TV if there's a media made me do it you're trying to defend your cut which is not a cut either reduction of growth of spending and we always had to at least the 7% You said publicly that is now three times already in place and got to cut the growth rate of inflation us about where we are now. So, let's stop talking about cutting Medicare A my economic plan to increase it 39% Don't forget what he tried to do with Healthcare. 17 new taxes spend 1.5 trillion dollars 50 new bureaucracies you believe that you couldn't even a cardiologist because he had photos yet. You couldn't your Cardiology wouldn't affect somebody want to be a cardiologist 10 years from now. You have to be certain complied with some of the rules in this extreme medical plan. The government is going to take over for all Americans are things we can do like the kassebaum bill things any provisions. I authored cover pre-existing existing portability and the other things we can do. We still need to cover by Twenty million people and a lot of children. I don't have time to 30 seconds to respond to fix all that but let me just say the American Hospital Association said that the budget I vetoed could have clothes 700 hospitals not me and on a per-person basis to dip cut way below the rate of inflation the medical cost but the important thing is what we going to do. Now. We need to help people who are between jobs need to cover more kids. We need a ride or preventive care mybalance budget covers mammograms for ladies on women on Medicare and also gives respite care to the million-plus families who have someone with Alzheimer's these things are paid for in the balanced budget plan. It'll move us forward. Next question is for Senator Dole from here. Yes, sir. My name is Jason Milligan a active duty military and a small business owner. And my question is what is your position on closing the gap between military and civilian pay scales? Jason I appreciate that very much being a former military man myself. And we have 17000 men and women today wearing our uniform to receive Food Stamps. It shouldn't happen in America. We had men and women wearing our uniform and substandard housing. It shouldn't happen in America. And it's time we take a look at the pay scales did get a 3% increase this year. That's not enough if we're going to ask young men and young women. Protect us and they found us around the world. And we've had more deployments under this Administration any time in history 50 times. We deployed troops around the world. Every time you do that to take a risk somebody, you know, if your son maybe your grandson maybe somebody else, but I think anybody wears uniform. the Great America number Vietnam member and people almost used to walk across the street doesn't have a contact for somebody was in Vietnam. That's all behind us now and it should be behind us and the Forgotten War the Korean War. But I guess I can just answer you very plainly Jason. Thank you for doing what you're doing. America owes you a debt of gratitude. May I ask you a question? What kind of what service are you in? I'm in the United States Navy shirt. And what kind of small business to you? I have an Amway business. Let me say it Center don't mention this. I just signed a bill that we got through Congress to increase the amount of pay increase. We could give for military personnel in the make sure the pay increase this year was above the rate of inflation. I also had presented to the Congress and they adopted a large package of quality of life improvements which are very important. I spend a lot of time talking to military families as well as military members all over the world. And in base is all across the United States and I became convinced after talking to the families and the Personnel in uniform that we needed to not only have the pay raise, but we need to invest more in child care housing and other things to support family, especially when they're longer deployments because of the downsizing of the military, so we're going to do better and we'll do better still but this is a commitment. I think that all American Share without regard to party. O'Jays. I don't disagree that presents that accept you waited for years to do these thing. And my view is it all to be it'll be done on day one will start working on Monday 1 in the door Camp Administration. This is important. I only have ten division. We used to have 18. We have 25 Fighter Wing for down the 13th. We have 536 shifter down the 336 you first place prize in Telugu 92. He would cut it 67 did any cut 112 billion dollars. We're right on the edge right now, but the last thing we ought to do is make those who wear the uniform sacrifice. Next question here for President Clinton. Yes, ma'am. You're on the front row. The Clinton my name is just like Kelly yesterday after hours vet in Palestine that he thinks the key to success in the Middle East is the commitment of the Americans would US president send American troops to Israel or the West Bank is peacekeepers. Let me just take 2 seconds of my time because I'm the commander and chief to respond to one thing. It was said. I proposed to spend 1.6 trillion dollars on the fence between now and the year 2002 and there's less than 1% difference between my budget and the Republican Budget on defense now on the Middle East as you know, I work very hard piece in the Middle East the agreement between the Palestinians and Israelis was signed at the White House. And the agreement of peace treaty with Jordan. I was going to Jordan the sound that be there but and I think the United States can do whatever we recently can. I can say this. I do not believe Yasser Arafat wants us to send troops to the Westbank. We've never been asked to send troops the Westbank. I saw the agreement that promise to remain in Yasser Arafat sign on the Westbank it have 26 separate Maps. They had to sign literally thousands of delineations of who would do you want on the Westbank? And I believe if the parties will get together and in a good faith Manor make that agreement that they'll be able to do it if we cannot impose a piece on the Middle East my position is always been at the job. The United States was to minimize the risks of peace. I asked me to be part of some monitoring for us as we are in the sun on have been since 1978 to monitor the peace between Egypt and Israel. I'm frankly I would have to think about it. I'll have to see what they wanted to do. But I don't believe that will be the request. I think what mr. Are fat wants us to do is to make sure that everybody honors you bring that they've already made that's why I brought the leaders to Washington few days ago. I think they will. I think we'll get there. Don't be too discouraged. Let me know Jason come back to you a minute because there is a big difference of the defense budget we had seven but in this year intended and more than the present, he puts his money in the out years, even if he were re-elected know he'll be gone before anything happens and nothing's going to happen because we don't have modernization. Now if we don't build more B-2 bombers in California and we lost about 500,000 jobs up in California because of this Devastation is big big cuts. We had to make cops did not make the cuts the present, Ste make any double. So I think we need to go back and take a look. We're increasing defense recently. Not too much. We are increasing defend some because we want to be prepared in case somebody here gets called up Jason. I would say I didn't hear what you had to say, but I don't want to know I think foreign policy only one is very careful about not here to argue about the present of some ongoing foreign policy matter what I want the present to I think he may have done it last statement call for an unconditional end of the Have the parties keep on talking as they should talk and have a resolution. The last thing we want to do is commit more forces anywhere, but let's try to keep this out of politics because it's pretty dicey right now. when the change of government occurred in Israel The people of Israel were saying we don't want to abandon the peace process. We want more security. Then a lot of mutual distrust developed a lot of things happened, which maybe shouldn't have happened. When I asked Yasser Arafat and prime minister Netanyahu to come to Washington and got them together and they talked alone for 3 hours. I was convinced that they had to have a chance to make that piece again, if they ask us to play some reasonable roll. I don't know how I would respond it would depend entirely on what they are supposed to do with the real secret. There is for them to abide by the agreement they've made and find a way to trust each other and they going to have to spend some time and trust each other, Mr. Bean gave his life believing that that trust to be materialized and I still think it can be. Alright next question for this section and it is for Senator Dole back in the back. That's it right there. Yes, sir. Set a timer for 30 years. Scripture about three years ago. Was that a man? Okay. Would you care to are you still hold to that statement or do you want to recant or explain yourself. That's very easy. My record going back to 1965 and the Congress. The first boat we had was when not you put a little notice on cigarettes, and maybe I vote if I voted for everything since that time FAQ 1992. We had a bill coming for us. At all the states had to comply with Emmylou certain money. We sent it to the Clinton administration. Implementation they waited three-and-a-half years and during that period about 3,000 young kids everyday started smoking you had it up. That's about 3 minutes. Not until again 1996. I don't want anybody to smoke. My brother probably died part of because of cigarettes. I was asked a technical question. Are they addictive maybe they're probably Arctic. I don't know. I'm not a doctor. You shouldn't smoke. You got to be glad you quit Oscar 30 years. And seems to me that's what we need to do is to talk about not only tobacco butt drugs because drug used to 12 and 17 years has doubled in this Administration the last 44 months. Marijuana use it up 141% cocaine use up 160% They're your kids. It's all happening this ministration because they cut funding and they cut interdiction. I'm pressing on the face. We're going to use the National Guard and whatever sources we need to stop some of the drugs coming into America. If you stop the drugs, nobody's going to use the drugs, so don't smoke Don't drink don't use drugs. Just don't do it. Oscar. The question of what the federal government should do to limit the access tobacco two young people is one of the biggest difference between soda Dolan d. We did propose a regulation 6 months after I became president under the law. He mentioned it simply says all these states and made it illegal for kids to smoke. Now. They have to try harder if they want to get federal funds then we took comments as we always do and there were tens of thousands of comments about how we are to do it. That's what drug it out. Meanwhile we started also a 93 To look into whether cigarettes more addictive enough for the federal Food and Drug Administration to ban the ability of cigarette companies to advertise market and distribute. Tobacco products to our kids. No president has ever taken on the tobacco Lobby before I did send it all the post me he went down and made a speech to people who were on his side saying that I did the wrong thing. I think I did the right thing on drugs. I have repeatedly said drugs are wrong and illegal and can tell you we have strengthened enforcement everybody in San Diego knows we strengthened control of the Border. You've done a lot more. I hope we get a chance to talk about it. Well, they also know what they live in Saint David Miss proud of your cough is 125 lb of marijuana or less you go back to Mexico. You're not prosecuted. You have us attorney here that sends it back home. So I think that's pretty important. That's a lot of marijuana. That's a big Supply. But don't get into the smokescreen are Oscar the present and the election year decided to do something. I'd nothing on drugs. I've been AWOL for 44 months. So let's take on smoking. They haven't said what's going to happen when they're going to have it declared addictive going to fly. Just a once it's a drug does apply only to teenagers but everybody in America. Nobody should smoke a particular young people should not smoke a my record is there it's been there I voted 810 time since 1965. Next question is for president sent me to come soft right here. Yes, sir. President Clinton, my name is Jack Black. I'm retired Air Force pilot certificate Lee forecast at our annual Medicare and social security benefit deficits are measured in the trillions of dollars Next Century. I know you listen to Social Security will be bankrupt and either 2025 or 2030. I feel it so grossly unfair especially for younger generation to losing faith in the system. My question is this assuming you agree that are entitlement programs are on an unsustainable course. What specific reforms do you propose there two different things Social Security and Medicare on Tyler in terms of the financial stability. Let's talk about them separately Social Security is stable until as you pointed out at least the third decade of the next Century, but we'd like to have a Social Security fund that has about 70 years of life instead of about 30 years of life. What we have to do is simply to make some adjustments to take account of the fact that the Baby Boomers people like me or bigger and number and the people that went just before us and the people that come just after us and I think what we finally do what we did a 1983 when Senator Dole serve in this is something I think you did a good job only served on the Social Security Commission and they made some modest changes in Social Security. To make sure that it would be alive and well into the twenty-first century and we will do that too. If it's obvious that there are certain things that have to be done in there 50 or 60 different options and a bipartisan commission to take it out of politics will make recommendations and build support for the people Medicare has different Medicare needs help. Now, I have proposed budget which would put 10 years in the life of the Medicare trust fund. It's more than it had a lot of the time for the last 20 years. It would save a lot of money through more managed care, but getting more options more preventive care and lowering. The inflation rate in the prices were playing providers without having the kind of big premium increases and out-of-pocket cost that the budget I vetoed would provide Then that will give us 10 years to do with Medicare. What we're going to do with Social Security have a bipartisan group. Look at what we have to do to save it when the Baby Boomers retire, but now we can we have to pass his budget and put 10 years on it right away. So no one has to worry about it. Well again, if you know. Somebody is thinking about the future. I think it's fair to say that it'll be will work it out in this a political year in the present playing politics with Medicare of it after this year is over will resolve it just as we did as Social Security 1983 It's a nonpartisan commission Ronald Reagan got together with Tip O'Neill and Howard Baker do Republicans won Democrat Employment Commission. I was on that commission reviews off the rescued Social Security. We suggested I think been over a year ago. Now we do the same as Medicare in the White House called it again me that last week. I guess it was Donna Shalala said logo cut Medicare 100 billion Commission. You probably have to be done by commissioned take it out of politics. I think if I were a senior citizen, I'll be a little fed up with all these ads caring seniors scaring veterans and scaring students about education. You don't have any ideas. You don't have any agenda and all you have is fear. That's all you can use. We have ideas that don't Camp campaign and we'll rescue Medicare as we did Social Security at DIA was to have the poorest seniors in the country pay $270 more a year this year. Their idea with the budget that the that the American Hospital Association said could close 700 Hospital. Their idea was to charge everybody more out-of-pocket cost in their budget that I veto not in an election year sir. I told him in early 95 Senator Dole said 30 years ago. He was one of 12 people that voted against Medicare. He was proud of it a year ago. He said I was right then. I knew it wouldn't work American seniors have the highest life expectancy in the world. We need to reform it not record. Next question from here and it's for Senator Dole. Yes, ma'am right here. Yes. Senator Dole, my name is Suzanne Gonzales, and I would like to know what you are good at. What would be your first step in reforming welfare? Well, we taking the first step three steps price. We sent welfare reform the president vetoed. On a third time we said welfare reform president signed it but announced he would change it next year and the vice president said they were going to do something else has he line item veto which I've never understood that that's already inside baseball. What we need to do is make certain. The try to return people to work. And I'm standing here for someone with long time ago at the County Attorney and Russell Kansas. One of our jobs every month is good through all the welfare checks and sign them. And 3 of those checks for my grandparents. So I know what it's like to have to look welfare head on. Obviously some people are going to need help. This is United States of America. You're not going to go without food and you're not going to go over that medical care. This is America. But at the same time if you want to get off at daycare get back in the mainstream, we're going to provide jobs. We're going to say you have a 5 5-year limit you can be on welfare. You got two years to look for a job to provide more money for daycare the bill that passed the Senate was vetoed. Then it came back presents. I'm pretty much the same bill, but this is an important issue. I don't think we ought to be getting welfare payments to illegal immigrants and it puts a heavy burden on a state like separate emergencies. That's a heavy burden on States like California cost California taxpayers 3 billion dollars a year. It's illegal right now and has been for years for illegal immigrants to get welfare benefits. Let me say that. This is one of most important issues in the world to me. I started working on welfare reform in 1980 because I was sick of seeing people trapped in the system that was increasingly physically isolated in the making their kids more vulnerable to get in trouble. I've been working on it when I was a governor for a long time when I became president. I use the authority I had in this law to get out from under certain federal rules to help States move people to work. We reduce the welfare Rolls by 2 million already. Now, I've got a plan with this new welfare reform law to work with the private sector to give employer specific tax incentives to hire people off welfare and do some other things which will create more jobs in the private sector at least a million to move more people from welfare to work. It's very important and I hope we get a chance to talk about this more. There's not a more important issue. I I still remember a woman that I met 10 years ago who said she want to get off welfare so our kids to tell give an answer when they say what is your mother do for a job? I'm not that woman again. She's got four kids ones got a good job one study to be a doctor once and Technical School was an honor student in high school. I want to make more people like that woman really hard. So I've got a plan to do it and it's just beginning. What another thing we can do we talked about growth. We've got a great economic package, which I hope will discuss later across-the-board tax cut child credits $500 for child under 18 reduce. The capital gains rate create more jobs and opportunities for people on and off welfare. We have other Provisions less litigation the trial lawyers big supporters of the present the trial lawyers for if they like lawsuits every time they have a bill that they won veto the president vetoes it for them. We've got to understand in America that we've got to have growth created more jobs and more often is the private sector the president takes credit for all these people off welfare. The governor's did that the government doesn't create jobs are created the private sector The section question. Yes, ma'am in the back row. as for the president the landlord Does your party have any future plans to reduce the capital gains tax especially for retired American? First of all, we have a big plan to reduce capital gains tax when people sell their home. Part of my tax package, which is paid for and my balanced budget plan. Would exempt of the half a million dollars in game from people when they sell their homes, which I think is the biggest capital gains benefit. We could give the most ordinary Americans. We also have the capital gains. Now for people that invest in new small businesses and holding Investments for 5 years. It was part of our other economic plan. And these are things I think that will go a long way toward helping America build a stronger economy and a better taxes. I think the most important thing to emphasize the ways that we also have to help people in other ways to build a strong economy and we can't have any tax cut that's not paid for one of the big differences between send it all to myself is that I told you how I'm going to pay for every penny of the tax cuts. I recommend we work hard to bring the stuff sit down and that's helped people in the real estate business because the interest rates are lower. We got home ownership of the 15-year High we got this country going in the right direction so we can have a tax cut but my priority would be to help the families who need it with child learning and education in buying a first-time home and helping for healthcare cost. So from your business, Helping and buying the first time home exempting the capital gains on the sale of a home would be the most important things that you asked about. What the president has tax cuts expire at the year 2004 ever. That's the liberal approach. I'll give you a little tax cut give me a couple years and make the tax increases go on forever. So the net tax increase in his plans somewhere between 60 and 80 billion dollars. We have an adult camp economic plan. Like if home is worth over $500,000 and fit as you're appreciated congratulate you upon any van no tax. That's a good idea. They saw him picked it up and put it in there but it's only temporary ours is permanent ours is a good plant create jobs and opportunities capital gains rate cut it in half dollars in a locked up in America. If we got the capital gains rate. I'm told every day. I let her from the former constituent in Kansas saying I want to sell property in California put it my business Kansas. I can't because the capital gains rates too high. We need to get the economy going that will help Social Security that would create more jobs that help people want to get off welfare. It's the American way. Before Center. Left the Senate. He and mr. Gingrich also recommending that we passed the tax cuts only insofar as we can pay for them. And we all assumed that the tax cuts will be permanent. But we have to prove we can pay for them after he left the Senate we abandon that that's why most experts say that this texting will blow a huge hole in the deficit raise interest rates and weaken the economy and that will take away all the benefits of the tax cut with a weaker economy. That's why we have to balance the budget and I'll tell you how I'm going to pay for anything. I promise you line by line. You should expect that from both of us are at the next question is for Senator Dolan's. Yes, man, right there. What's my dinner with third-year student at UC San Diego? And I just want to say that it's a great honor representing voices of America and my voice. My question is considering you. Mr. All the controversy regarding your age. How do you feel you can respond to the Young Voices of America today and tomorrow? Well, I think age is very, you know, wisdom comes from age experience and intelligence. And if you have some of each and I have some Asian some experience some intelligence That Azz Up. I think it also is a strength. It's an advantage. Not a lot of young people work in my office working my campaign. This is about America this about somebody said earlier on the first question. We're together. Just want to marry one day. I'm looking at our economic plan because I'm concerned about the future for young people. I'm looking about drugs presents been AWOL for 4 years. I'm looking about crime Hilton Credit Now for Crime going down, but it happened because Mayors and governors and others abroad crime down Rudy Giuliani mayor of New York fraud crime down 25% just in New York City the present take credit for that. We want to find jobs and opportunities and education. This year the Republican Congress first student loans went from 24 billion to 36 billion over the next six years a 50% increase the highest appropriation ever 6 billion dollars for Pell Grants very very important. We also raise the amount of each Pell Grant in our economic plan. The $500 child credit can be used for young people rolled over and over and over if you have a child 2 years old 7% interest be worth about $18,000 time. That child is ready for college. I can only tell you that I don't think Senator Bill was too old to be president. It's the age of his ideas that I question. You're almost not old enough to remember this but we tried this before promising people on election year tax cut that's not paid for by the last time you're at telling you can have everything you got. And let me just say this you hear him. Say the Congress. Just voted to increase student loans and scholarship. They did after he left the last budget. He led Hut Pell Grant cut student loan. I vetoed it when they shut the government down. My plan would give students a dollar-for-dollar deduction for the cost of a typical Community College tuition a $10,000 deduction a year for the cost of college tuition would let family save in an IRA withdrawal tax free to pay for the cost of education and it's all paid for my whole Administration is about your future. It's about what the 21st century is going to be like for you and I hope you look at the idea, isn't it? Thank you. Mommy don't have any ideas. I guess you say the other person's ideas are old. That's literally didn't have any ideas or ideas is raise taxes and spend more money. That's the liberal philosophy. That's what you like. You got a perfect candidate. President Clinton came California 1992. He said the centerpiece of my first four years going to be middle class tax cut all you got that tax cut. Congratulations cuz you got a big tax increase. You got a 265 billion dollar tax increase and he stands here and says politicians who make promises like that ought to be ignored while he made the promise. I keep my word and you'll have a tax cut help you in whatever you're going to do next to yours. Thank you for President Clinton and it's from the yes, ma'am. Hello, my name is Tracy Sanders. And my question is do you feel that America has grown enough and has educated itself enough to totally cut out affirmative action? I am against quotas. I'm against giving anybody any kind of preference or something. They're not qualified for. But because I still believe that there is some discrimination and that not everybody has an opportunity to prove. They're qualified. I favor the right kind of affirmative action. I done more to eliminate problems in the rate of production problems. I didn't think it was fair and the Titan others up in my predecessors have since very back has been around but I have also worked hard to give people a chance to prove that they are qualified. Let me just give you some examples we weave double the number of loans from the small business administration triple. The number of loans to Women Business people. No one. I'm qualified. Everybody had to meet the standards. We golfing 260,000 new jobs in the military to women since I've been president, but the Joint Chiefs say we're stronger and more confident and solid than ever. Let me give you another example of what I mean of action is making that extra effort. Sort of like what Senator don't they when he sponsored the Americans with Disabilities Act and said to certain stores. Okay, you got to make it accessible to people in wheelchair. We weren't guarantee anything anybody anything except the chance to prove they were qualified the chance to prove that they could do it and that's why I must say I agree with General Colin Powell. That's it. We're not there yet. We ought to keep making those extra effort affirmative action program the law and the policy of Atlanta. Why we may not be there yet, but we're not going to get there by getting preferences and quotas. I supported that route for some time. And again, I think it's back to experience the life experience play the little intelligence and I know it is that nobody was really benefiting yourself the very small group of the top. The average person wasn't benefit people who had the money were benefiting people got all the jobs are benefiting. It seems to me that we ought to support the California civil rights initiative. It ought to be. Based on gender or ethnicity or color or disability. I'm disabled. I shouldn't have a preference. I would like to have one in this race come to think of it, but I don't get one. Maybe we can work that out. I get 10 points. This is America. No discrimination. Discrimination ought to be punished but there are to be equal opportunity to reach out and make sure nobody has a chance participate equal opportunity, but we cannot guarantee results and that's not how America became the greatest country on the face of the Earth. I have never supported quotes. I've always been against but don't favorite equal is off. But I do favor making sure everybody has a chance to prove their, the reason I have a post that a nation is it cuz I'm afraid it will end those extra effort program again. I say you don't guarantee that they get the job you guarantee they have a chance to prove their company. And as I said, this is not a part of the thing with me Dental Powell Colin Powell said the same thing Heat their fears that the initiative would take away the extra effort program. No preference is unqualified people no photos, but don't give up on making an extra effort to your sure. Everybody has a chance to prove their qualified. Write the next question is for Senator Dole and it comes from the section right here the back row there in the blue shirt gets her. And then David and mechanical engineer Senator Dole. How do you reduce taxes and balance the budget? I first want to say the president didn't quite give you all the stuff on the I'm calling is because the justice department and it will be called the Piscataway case up in New Jersey is pretty clear. That was a photo case. I just because one teacher with white one teacher was black and had the same qualifications know they decide if it would stay there. It shouldn't be that way by the prizing can say what he wants to mend. It. Ended 168 Federal programs that allow protists. He ended one. Now this economic package them. I'm glad you asked cuz you look like the type of might be able to benefit from a 15% across-the-board tax cut $500 for child tax credit. or no state tax relief but you're not interested in right now the capital gains rate reduction. If you're taking care of an elderly parents to get $1,000 deduction. We think that's very important. Cuz a lot of people take care of their pair. How do we pay for it going to the Constitution limit the balance a budget with the present bows and defeated the Twisted arms got six Democrats to live with him. We lost by one vote. I'm going to balance the budget by the year 2000 to the present wants to spend 20% more of the next six years. I want to spend 14% more and give that 6% back to the people. Remember, it's your money. It's not his money and it's not my money. It's your money and you shouldn't have to apologize for wanting to keep all you can of it, but he ought apologise wanted to take more and more to give you a part of the government tax cut its really mean anything. You know one of the responsibilities of growing older it seems to me. Is being able to tell people something they may not want to hear just because it's truth. When they had a 250 billion dollar tax scheme that is half the size of this one. This is 550. They pass the budget. They have 270 billion dollars in Medicare cuts the first education Cuts in history cut environmental enforcement by 25% took away. The guarantee of quality standards in nursing homes took away the guarantee of healthcare the folks with disability. Don't take my word for this The Economist magazine told lots of economy 7 Nobel Prize winner. If this tax team passes, it will require huge 40% in the environment and Law Enforcement Education required bigger Cuts in Medicare not be till last time my target attacks. Just text us for Education child-rearing buying a first-time home paying for healthcare costs and it's paid for and I told you how I'll pay for it. He won't tell you because you can't Your target tax cuts, but never hits anybody. That's a problem with it. Nobody ever gets it but I must say I'm a little offended by this words are repeated about 10 times in St. Petersburg if I have anything in politics, that's my word. My colleagues Democrats and Republicans will tell you the Bob Dylan's kept his work. I'm going to keep my word to you. I'm going to keep my word the Americans were going to tax cut taxes and balance the budget. We're not going to touch Medicare going to go 39% and Social Security is going to go 34% of the present don't have any ideas. So he's out thrashing Mars Attacks got a 1992 and if you got one so you ought to go 20 questions for the President right there. Dwayne burns on the martial arts instructor and a father for president. Could you outline any plans you have to expand the Family Leave Act? The first let me say that I signed the Family Leave Act. It was my very first bill. And I'm very proud of it cuz it symbolizes what I think we ought to be doing. I don't take credit for all the good things that have happened in America, but I take credit for what I tried to do to work with others to make good things happen. Most important good things that happened American happen in families just about every family I know main concern is how am I going to succeed at work and still do right by my children? Family medical leave is left 12 million families take a little time off for the birth of a child or a family illness without losing their job. I'd like to see it expanded into ways. I'd like to say you can also take a little time off without losing your job. Go to a regular parent-teacher conference are to go to a regular doctor's appointment with a family member. I'd also like to see the overtime laws changed so that we can have some more Flex time so that at the discretion of the worker the worker if you aren't over time, you can decide what you want that time to be taken in cash or in time with your family. If you got a family problem. I never go anywhere seems like we're I don't need somebody who's benefited from the family leave in Longview Texas the other day. I met a woman who was almost in tears because she been able to keep her job while spending time with her husband who had cancer. One of the people is here with me today met a woman in the airport saying that her son just was able to be present at the birth of a child because of the family leave Law. So yes, I think it should be expanded. We have to help people succeed at home and at work. What 88% of the people the president claims her 11 million of already cover? And only 5% keep in mind only 5% of the employer's we've been affected by family that we had a better idea. We didn't win who had a better idea. Now. We have a majority to get a president. That was a tax credit for the employer instead of the federal government reaching out. We had a tax credit pick up some of the cost because if you have to hire a replacement worker, that's the cost. This is way out of work give more power back to the States and back to the people back to the taxpayers not always the long arm of the federal guard to keep in mind. This bill covers 5% of the employer's 95% of the employer's at all. Those employees employee are not covered in this act that Gordon's investors daily, which I read just a couple days ago 88% the people he claimed credit for Rowdy covered in collective bargaining agreements rather than we had planned to leave in our office. I'm certain I see my friends. I spend a lot of time at hospitals. I know what it's like to be in a hospital surely want family leave. There's a better way to do it. Only have 30 seconds. I can't fix this District. It covers the majority of the workforce employers under 50 or Exempted. The bill originally covered employer to 25 and more but because of opposition we went up to 50 Center to go let the opposition to it. He filibuster that he said it was a mistake. He said it would hurt the economy. We've had record numbers of new small businesses in 10 and 1/2 million jobs. That didn't hurt the economy. You still believe. It's a mistake. I believe it was right you can decide which of those who think they're right up to you a question for some of the dullness I guess man. Hi, my name's Bridget giannotti, and I'm a wife and mother of two sons from Carlsbad and my question for you Center to deal with as the wife of a San Diego business owner. I see one of our biggest problems in the US does not manufacture enough of our own product. How would you help this problem out? Well, right we've lost 357,000 manufacturing jobs in the your labors. Did you say to that said today that they made a mistake if I go to be much much higher figures all of it. All these new jobs. We better wait and see what the results are. We're going to do that with a more aggressive trade policy. We're going to do that with an economic package. We're going to do that with regulatory reform and regulations cost the average family right here democrat or republican about $7,000 a year $7,000 till I get tax. A lot of people out of this. I met a lady in Colorado Springs about 7 weeks ago. Now she had a small business with 63 employees. She finally gave it up why because of paperwork and regulation Congress passed the paperwork reduction act the present exempt cirs, which creates 3/4 of paperwork. We're going to have regular tort litigation reform, California Chico all that before I hit the ground my cell phone rang and his trial lawyer says and if we got a case here, you know, we got to stop some of these frivolous lawsuit and putting people out of business men and women get the economy going cut the capital gains rate create more jobs and opportunities for everybody in America. That's what we will do and my word is good. I keep my promises. I don't break my promises that they like and I don't make no promises on an election year. We're going to get it done. We're going to grow some of these jobs in America. Cuz we need to get it going the wrong way. Let's look at the facts. We lost a lot of manufacturing jobs in the 12 years before I became president. We've gained manufacturing jobs since I've been president. We've negotiated over 200 separate trade agreements Exodus estate, California in California. We made 37 billion dollars worth of telecommunications equipment eligible for exports for the first time. We're selling everything from from telephones to cedis to rice in Japan. We're selling American automobiles in Japan that I visited a Chrysler dealership in Japan wear number one in automobile manufacturing production sales around the world again for the first time since 1970s. Why because we've had tough aggressive trade policy and because we got interest rates now and we had a good stable Economic Policy because we reduce the deficit for years in a row for the first time in the twentieth century. The president's done that in all four years and that's why I don't want to see us blow a big hole in the deficit with a Tac Pro we can't pay for so your interest rates will go up and have to pay back in higher interest rates. What you allegedly will get in a tax cut. So I say keep working on expanding markets more than half of these two and a half million new jobs and Highway. And we'll have more Manufacturing in more sales at home in around the world. But you may think the biggest employer in America is General Motors, but I got news for you. It's Manpower services hiring people temporarily lost their jobs and go to work for 30 days or 60 days. That's a good economy. I don't think so. They're setting to record this year. We have the worst economy in a sense. We have the slowest growth about 2.5% The present are the growth of over 5% We don't have the S&L crisis anymore Republican to cut 53 billion dollars and spending that's why the budget can be good. Look look good. You didn't look too good the first two years when Democratic president in the Democratic Congress, next question is for President Clinton Sr. I'm bummed Goldfarb. I'm a travel agent. And can you please explain your policy on the Employment? Non-discrimination Act that would have prohibited discrimination. It would have prohibited people from being fired from their jobs. Simply for being gay or lesbian. That's my policy. I'm for it. I believe that any law-abiding tax-paying citizen shows up in the morning and then break the law and doesn't interfere with his or her neighbors. Thought I have the ability to work in our country and shouldn't be subject to unfair discrimination. I'm for it. I have a little time left. So let me just say that. I get attack so many times on these questions. It's hard to answer all those things in February Saturday just said we had the worst economy in the century in February. He said we had the best economy in 30 years. Just February. And I don't want to respond in kind of all these things. I could I could answer all these things tip for Tat, but I hope we can talk about what we going to do in the future. No attack ever created a job or educated a child or help a family make ends meet. No insult ever cleaned up a toxic waste dump or help an elderly person after four years. That's what I worked on you. Give me four years more. I work on it some more. I'll try to answer these charges, but I prefer to emphasize direct answers to the Future and I gave you a direct answer. I'm opposed to discrimination any form of time but I don't favor creating special rights for any group. That would be my answer this question. And I'm you know, the be specialized for different different groups in America. I'm totally opposed to discrimination don't have any policy against hiring anyone whatever we don't have any policy at my office will be having a future but as far as special rights, I'm opposed to same-sex marriages with surprise inside while after midnight one morning the dark and I posted I'll get back to the economic back because I guess I think this is very important. There's anything is going to change America get the economy to grow. Present hair to get economy crisis end of her selling assets had a republican Congress cutting spending finally and he said he's at the best for years ever. That's not true. I don't want a 1.2 million bankruptcy set a new record credit card. That's never been higher. I just told you about this manufacturing job loss, which is going to increase we need a good strong economic package. Let the private sector create the jobs and they can do it. If you believe that the California economy was better in 1992. Then it is today. You should vote for Bob don't. I have work so hard out here. Tell turn this economy around. Let me just give you one tiny example in San Diego where we had the sun defense got back. We funded project with University of California San Diego to use airplane composite materials to build lighter stronger Bridges a little project in a program the son of a dollar post and that composite now it's going to be built around the bridges on the Santa Monica freeway to help minimize the impact of earthquakes and create more jobs. That's just one tiny example, they will talk about some more before it's over text questions for senator dolenz from the section. Yes, ma'am. Senator Dole, I am Verda stratakis and I work in healthcare and it's truly an honor to be here tonight to address both of you being in healthcare. We have talked a little bit about Healthcare tonight, but mainly medical and Medicare have been mentioned, but the private sector is a problem. Managed Care is taking over especially in California and because of that. The quality of care is going downhill. There are many many people who cannot get the test that they need when they need them and because of that they are dying needlessly. There are many many more lawsuits being presented against Managed Care industry because of this and I think it's a real problem that needs to be addressed. What would you do if you were president? Government takeover Healthcare the President Clinton offered in 1993 which created 17 no taxes and 50 new bureaucracies and price controls cuz we were afraid that very thing you mentioned would have happened everybody going to be divorced in a managed care. You could have chosen your own doctor and that would have been the end. And I think right now we got to go back and I know they've appointed a commission take a look at Managed Care maybe that's part of the answer but it seems to me if we start to take the choices away from people. If we drive them into one type care if we limit fee for service altogether or lemonade vacuum go to your own dock. You got to go somewhere else then I think we've taken a giant step backward in the United States of America. We have the best Healthcare delivery system in the world, and we want to keep it that way. That's why we oppose the government takeover healthcare plan the President Clinton tried and tried and tried to get through Congress. Then get it done. And end up we had more votes and he had and then they decided to pull the plug. Is a big big mistake that was not he'll do that again. I've heard some of the people say well, that's the model we ought to use if he's re-elected. Maybe we'll come back and try it again. I hope not. I hope not both cases, but it does seem to me that you've raised a very Important point that needs to be addressed you have to watch it going to take a look at all the managed-care going on in California or we're going to end up losing our best care that we have in the world. I'm just curious how many of your under a managed care plan is your hand for a minute. Young people here how many of you like it? Well to one of the things that I tried to do. Was to make sure that everybody in the country who was under a managed care plan should at least have three choices of plans and would have the right to get out without penalty every year. But that's not a government takeover. That's like the family medical leave Law just passed us at the rules of the game. I'm strongly in favor of a federal Bill to repeal the any gag rules on providers. In other words. I believe that doctor should not be able to be kicked out of managed care plans just because they tell the patients what they need and what more expensive care options might be if we're saving money and managing resources better. That's a good thing you for saving money and depriving people of care. That's a bad thing a good place to start is to say no managed care provider can gag a doctor and check the doctor out of the managed care plan for the doctor telling the patient. You need them a more expensive test. You need a more expensive procedure your health or car. So don't I don't have any quarrel with that. I think that would help but I think what we want to avoid is falling back into this nationalized health-care system and the President Clinton want to give us a 1993 that is a little idea. I never heard one. 17 new taxes, I spent rolls 50 new Durock receive we had that trouble all over America. We need to deal with Managed Care in California is having other states that we visit to it's a national problem. Not just a state problem. Connect customers for President Clinton and the section. Yes, ma'am. And I'd like to tee off from the original question by another teacher and speak for those people that are here tonight 63% of the American people are not participating that are eligible to vote not participating the process several parties can't even get into the be the green party the Reform Party the natural law party, all of these people have basically opted out of what we're still participating in and if we in fact they're going to bring the country back together and be all faces around the table the new American Family. What do you see as something in the president can do to begin that process to bring them back in? First of all, I think it's important. To make voting more accessible. That's why I strongly supported the Motor Voter while there was a big story. I think of USA Today about the millions of people have not registered because of it. Secondly, I think we need to look at making the elections more accessible, you know, several States now are letting people vote over 3 weeks lot of people are busy and it's hard for them to to just get there and vote don't thing. I think we need is more forms like this. Just one of the reasons I have so strongly supported campaign Finance reform. Because if you want to cut the cost of campaigns, you have to open the Airways because what drives cost of campaign or the cost of advertising on television radio newspaper mass mailing and if you open the airway some more things like this, you see it's not just you that are just waiting here for everyone of you who still up here and ask a question the night. I promise you there's a hundred thousand Americans. It said I wish I could have asked that question. So I think we have to change the nature of Politics. The last thing I think we should do is something I've been trying to do since I've been president is every time I do something is in the public way. I try to have a real American citizen there who is directly affected by it. So that people can see the connection of what happens way across the country in Washington with more police on the street and San Diego clean up the sewage and San Diego Dublin. The Border guards here in Southern California that there is a connection between what we do way back there and what we do here. Those are my best idea. Well, I don't know of any perfect solution. I've been in politics for some time and all but I worry about the people who don't vote. And I wonder if it's our fault. candidates fall because I don't care one bill doesn't make a difference. I give you a hundred K used by give me 200 cases where one bullet made a difference. I know it made a lot of difference many times in the Congress. Campaign Finance might help might help contributions coming in from Indonesia or other foreign countries rich people in those countries. Then being sent back at the LA Times discovers it $250,000, but maybe there ought to be more debate. I'd be willing to have another date this year. We're about all the candidates. Talk about the economy. If we don't get the economy to grow if we don't cut taxes and get people child credits and cut the capital gains rate and get this economy growing. We're going to limp into the next Century if we grow the economy is going to help Social Security and help jobs can help him. Let me make one other suggestion. Is there a teacher you can have an impact on that? What are the things I think it really frustrates people. Is it so often political campaign seems to be more about the politicians that are running in the people. Are there is a connection and I think what we have to do is convince people. There's a big difference. If you vote one way, you will have a Department of Education in the 21st century. If you go the other way, you won't give out one way. You have an expansion of family leave you both the other way you'd be lucky to save it. But these are important questions and people have to decide. I think that American people also need to be a little more responsible and and think about whether there's a connection between their lives and what we do in, Washington. Send it all in the section on the back row. Yes, ma'am. I my receiver in and I'm unemployed. We talked about social security for the US Baby Boomers, but shouldn't we be saving and investing for our own retirement as well? Are you planning any incentives to encourage us to take care of ourselves rather than to rely on the government and on Social Security when we were tired of the counselors. We think it would encourage savings. You can also use those accounts for health care or education or first home. We're doing that precisely and I think one thing sooner or later we're going to consider it take a look at the social security system and a lot of people advocating. We don't want to put our money into Social Security and you got to be very careful that you have to protect the people are already in the pipeline the Sunday might might consider not suggesting will be done by at least we ought to look at it. When I reach Amarin finance committee, which handle Social Security we can always options and one thing we got to make sure. I used to go. My mother would tell me. All I've got is my Social Security. Don't touch it. We didn't touch it we preserve it and I'm an optimist your Social Security is going to be there when you retire we will fix it and it probably happened in the year 2012 or 2015 and 1983. We thought we had a 75-year fix didn't work much much left. But at least we fixed it for sometime and 37 to 40 million people get their checks on time. We need to preserve the system. And we did it make it stronger. We also need to look at some options with or not. We On what the options aren't they got a commission right now. I'm Congress a bipartisan issue looking all the different options are going to present the next Congress so they can wait and see what they resent they can look at. This is one where we have some agreement, I think. Only about half the people in this country have pension plan. And Social Security is not enough for a lot of people that live on or at least it's not enough for them to maintain anything like their previous lifestyle. So we got to figure out how we going to have more people with pension plans and pension coverage has been declining as more people work for small businesses and fewer people work for big businesses. What what is a my plan than I don't think it's almost identical to what extent of those planets we make more people that are now eligible to save in an IRA and we let Couples married couples save more and then they could withdraw from a tax-free if they needed to for medical emergencies or to buy Homer for education, but they could also safe to supplemental retirement. In addition to that. We just passed the sweeping small business reform that makes it easier for small business people to take out 401K plans for themselves and their employees and then much easier for employers to carry from job to job my best friend from grade school list computer software sale, and he told me last time you changed employers. It took him 9 months to figure out how to transfer a 401k plan now, it's none of that will happen anymore. And so I hope that over the next 10 years. We see a big increase in the percentage of people that have pension plans plus a secure social security system. Did you say you're unemployed? The first thing I do is get you a job. And that's the economic back. If you can create jobs and opportunities reduce the capital gains rate regulatory reform. Stop some of the census litigation and let people work in America and I think that's that's the thrust we will make obviously Social Security is a very important program. It should be preserved Democrat to Republican to be preserve. We want to make certain we protect those in the pipeline. Just we did back in 1983 and we did it on a bipartisan vape. We took it out of politics people get so tired of politics. We got to do the same with Medicare. Maybe make a deal here tonight. All right the questions for a President Clinton. Has anybody have a foreign affairs question in this section answer? Good evening. I'm Michael Smith. I'm a electronic technician in the Navy. My question was how you plan to deal with the trade deficit with Japan. Let me tell you what we have done. We have concluded with Japan at 21 about to be 22 trade agreements now. And since we did that in the areas where we concluded trade agreements are exports to Japan have gone up by 85% in the last 4 years and our trade deficit with Japan has gone down. Until about five months ago. The Japanese economy was in a deep recession is coming back now so they can buy even work the American products and I think it'll go down more but I'm very that's one of the real success story of the work we've done we're selling Japanese rice from California for the first time. I visited a Chrysler dealership in Tokyo. I visited a cheap plant the oldest Auto Plant in America in Toledo, Ohio where they going to export 41,000 right hand drive Jeeps this year. And I got seven hundred new job because of it. There is no easy way to do this when you're dealing with it, that's traditionally been more clothes and wanted to do sleeping more open just have to gut it out issue-by-issue the issue. We're just that we've agreed in principle on an insurance agreement and we're working on three or four other areas now, but that the way you have to do it is make sure your competitive where the most competitive country in the world now and then just buy open those markets and go try to make the sale and that's what are trade Ambassador Commerce Secretary all the other people are ministrations trying to do. The bottom line is we got to stop exporting jobs. We need to keep jobs here. I said, they're 357,000 good job manufacturing jobs. If you're lost and I assume some of those because of our trading partners. We didn't have access to their Market. We ought insist on access if we don't have access to their markets the same way that access to our markets melt away, but that's enough time out. When you give us access will give you access very hard to get in. The Japanese Market is everybody knows they want to get into our Market. It's a lot of automobiles here. Great lot of jobs those who sell exports and it's very important to the economy. But I think we want to make sure I supported the presents trade policy, but we got to be more dressy don't you have a policy then you got to go out and be aggressive and enforce that policy their American jobs are being lost. This was Ross Perot complains about and I'd say to the Reform Party take a look at the Republican party where the Reform Party we're going to make things. Better. One thing we're going to do is stop exporting jobs. Let me say again. We've had over 200 separate trade agreements in the last 4 years by far the largest number in American history. Not just the big ones you read about it, but a lot of smaller one. And now what we have to do is to focus on those things were real good at and make sure we get in the Fair Deal. We just had a pretty serious dispute with China because they were copying are CD's and costing thousands of jobs and places like California. So we had that we said if you know, if you want to keep doing business sell your product over here going to have to quit pirating are CD's and they agreed to do a number of things in the lettuce verified if they've done it. I think I'm going to make the problem much better, but there is not a simple easy answer. You just have to work on this day in and day out every month every year every issue to make sure that we have not only free trade but fair trade, I'm probably better off on that thing. We were four years ago. Are the next question is for Senator Dole? And it's in the second. Yes, sir. Ron kite Minister has been established by the founding fathers who possessed a very strong Christian beliefs and godly principles elected president of the United States, what could you do to return this nation fees basic principles. And also do you feel that you're the president the Office of the President has the responsibility to set the robot cycle to inspire our young people? But no doubt about our founding fathers having regular wisdom. And in addition to what you mentioned. They also were concerned about this all powerful central government, Washington DC to confiscate your property like hair out of my pocket. I can't pull it out at by light through the copy of the Tenth Amendment which says if we are to return power to the states and power to the people people here, you want to make more decisions out if you are to me Honor Duty and country. That's what America is all about. starting to the prize United States the highest office in the world the most important office in the world has the responsibility to young people that we talked about earlier, but everyone. by example I'm going to come to public ethics. He has a responsibility. You have thirty some of your Administration will be there laughter being investigated or in jail or whatever and you got an ethical problem. It's probably Kathy hundred files gathered up by some guy who was a bouncer in a bar and hired a security officer to collect files. and Watergate I know a person went to jail for looking at one file one FBI file their 900 sequestered in the White House 900 people like you. Why should they be rifling through your thoughts for the present has a great responsibility? That's one that I understand and assertive me. Hurry up. This is the most of the religious right country in history. And they're interesting enough. We have the most religious freedom of any country in the world including the freedom not to believe. And now we have all these people just up the road Los Angeles kind of got people from 150 different racial and ethnic groups and they got tons of different religions. But the fundamental tenets of virtually every religion of the same. And what I tried to do is to support policy that would respect religion and then help parents inculcate those values their children. Let me very briefly give you some examples one of my proudest moments with signing religious freedom restoration act with says a dumbass got a bend over backwards before we interfere with religious practice. So I change the justice department effort to get a church to pay back a man's tied because he was bankrupt when he gave it a supported character education programs in our school drug free schools program that support of getting parents of be chip on their television. So if they don't want their young kids to watch they they shouldn't watch they wouldn't have to that's the kind of thing we need to do is give people like you and our families the power to give those values to our children. I think it's before I came in her know my wife and daughter and I had a prayer. Cuz it's God's will whatever whatever happens. God's will Constitution Amendment voluntary prayer in school might be a great idea. I support it Fresno post. It seems to me the pricing grab the present. Maybe this is one of his highest responsibilities. People look to the prize United States more than any other person in America. That's why it's always been and that's the way it always will be. All right, this is our last question to go to President Clinton and it's from the section Yes, Man. My name is a minister. I'm with the universal Fellowship of Metropolitan Community Church has President Clinton say several times all of us together. And when he was asked if he would support equal rights and employment for gay and lesbian people. You said that you favored that and he said that he did not believe in special rights, and I thought the question was equal rights for all people and I don't understand why people are using the term special rights when the question does equal rights. Could you help me and understanding that? I want to answer the question, but let me say one of the thing. We don't need a constitutional amendment for kids to pray and what I did was to have the Justice Department of Education Department for the first time ever issue a set of guidelines. So we gave every school in America saying that children cannot be interfered with in religious. Advocacy when they were praying when they were doing whatever they could do Under the Constitution just because they were on a public school grounds. And I think anyone whose experiences would tell you that I have ministration is done more than any in 30 years to clarify the freedom of religion in the Public Square including into public school. I think I have to let some of the bills speak for himself. It wouldn't be fair for me to do that. I would wind up. I mean, it's the last question I'd mischaracterized it to try to make you happy. Let me tell you what I feel. We have a lot of differences in our country. And some of us believe that other people's decisions are wrong even immoral. But under our constitution if you show up tomorrow and obey the law and you work hard and you do what you're supposed to do. You're entitled to equal treatment. That's the way the system works all over the world people being torn apart Bosnia the Middle East Northern Ireland Rwanda Burundi you name it? Because of all their differences. We still have some of that hatred inside us. You see it in the church burn and one of the things I've tried hardest to do is to tell the American people that we have to get beyond that. We have to understand it was Stronger when we unite around shared values instead of being divided our differences. Saturday I hope I made my answer clear out that I'm opposed to discrimination. And we suffered discrimination in the disability Community there 43 million office. And I can recall cases where people across the street rather than meet somebody in a wheelchair. We want to end discrimination. I think that answers itself. no discrimination in America we made that clear. And I would just say that seems to me that that's way too high to be we shouldn't discriminate race color, whatever lifestyle disability. This is America. We're all proud of it. We're not there yet. We need a good strong leadership going in the next Century. I'm sorry. We didn't have foreign policy question because just this week secretary Christopher said, well first couple years about foreign policy of that was quite an emission underscores that I had to say in the heart for debate that there is really no foreign policy in his administration was deal with it. Unfortunately didn't have more questions on that. Let me say again. There's no more important responsibility for the president in the state. If you believe in the Constitution the Bill of Rights in the Declaration of Independence, that's all we need to know. And you can be part of our America you walk across that bridge to 21st century with her. And we are not well-served when we attack each other and a kind of an ad hominem way. It doesn't create jobs doesn't it? Say children doesn't solve problem. We need to be Dennis agree on ideas, honestly and talkin about the future. The future will be the greatest time of this country's history. If we can beat this division that is bedeviling the whole rest of the world. Right. Now we go to the closing statement Senator Dole your first two minutes, sir. Thank everybody here at University. And then thank you all the people who may still be watching viewing. This is what it's all about. About me not about President Clinton. It's about the process. It's about selecting a prize United States. So we have our differences. We should have our differences much and other parties. They have their differences. We all agreed. He pretty doll place. We should have more debate. Maybe we'll have another fit on the account. But I would just say this. This is the highest honor I've ever had in my life to think that somebody. Russell Kansas somebody who grew up living in a basement apartment somebody whose parents didn't finish High School. Somebody has spent about 39 months and hospitals after World War II somebody uses a button hook everyday to get dress. Somebody who understands that The Real Americans out there was real problems whether soccer moms are the sink single parents families working with seniors or people disabilities wherever it may be but there's some very fundamental differences in this campaign President Clinton opposed his current limits the balanced budget amendment. If I was a member to protect the flag of the United States of America people get their lives couple service men here. They sacrifice they give everything for America. We got to protect the American flag with a constitutional amendment. I'll be on that. We need to address the economy. I was just save my time running out here. It's a very proud moment for me. And what I want the voters to do is to make a decision. And I want them to be proud of their vote in the years that had proud that they voted for the right candidate proud that they voted for me and I'll just make you one promise. My word is good Democrats and Republicans. That works at Bob Dole's word is good. I keep my word. I promise you the economy is going to get better. We can have a good economic package. We're going into the next Century a better America. Thank you. Thank you, Jim. And thank you ladies and gentlemen them all the people who are watching. One thing I'd like to say is I agree with what Senator Dole said. It's remarkable thing in a country like ours at Mana grew up in Russell, Kansas and wanted was born to a widowed mother and Hope Arkansas to wind up running for president can have a chance to serve as president. The first thing I want to say is thank you for giving me the chance to be frozen. This election is about two different Visions about how we should go into the 21st century. Would we be better off as I believe working together to give each other the tools we need to make the most of our god-given potential. Are we better off saying? You're on your own. Would we be better off building a bridge to the future together so we can all walk across it or saying you can get across yourself? If you don't agree with this room with anything else tonight, and if the people watching us don't leave with anything else. I hope you'll leave this. This is a really important election. The world is changing dramatically and how we work and how we live how we relate to each other huge changes. And the decisions we make will have enormous practical consequences. So we talked about our responsibility tonight. I want to talk about your responsibility and your responsibility. Your responsibility is to show up on November 5th. Because you're going to decide what we're going to balance the budget now, but protect Medicare Medicaid education environment, you'll decide what are we going to keep fighting crime with the Brady Bill the assault weapons and finish putting those hundred thousand, please what are we going to move a million people from welfare to work? When are we going to give our families more protection for their kids against drugs and tobacco and gangs and guns. What are we going to give our children world-class education wherever 8 year old can read every twelve-year-old can log in on the internet every 18 year old go to college. If we do those things will build at base of the 21st century, and the greatest country in history will be even greater. Thank you. Thank you Senator. Thank you. Mr. President this concludes the this is the last of the three 1996 Presidential and vice-presidential today. Good at listening to a rebroadcast of last night's presidential debate in San Diego. The moderator. 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Your tune to KRW FM 91.1 Minneapolis-Saint Paul are Twin City weather forecast calls for cloudy conditions scattered showers brisk winds through the afternoon. It's as warm as it's going to get a chance for snow by late tonight. It is now 26 minutes before 2 and this is time for Talk of the Nation here on Minnesota Public Radio. Listen to preempt the first our first half-hour rather of our discussion the date provide complete coverage of the presidential debate, but now it's time to join the conversation and the subject today is character the so-called character issue. Just how important is character in this year's race to the White House. Is there a way to make a distinction between professional integrity and personal morality. And if everybody does focus on character as an issue what happens to the other issues are they put on the back burner? That's the discussion today on Talk of the Nation from National Public Radio. Melinda pain. Cava is sitting in today for Ray Suarez.