As we mentioned at the beginning of the broadcast of March is being held tonight in Downtown Minneapolis to call attention to the problem of violence against women. The marches called take back the night. It is the third such annual demonstration in Minneapolis. Similar events are held at other times and many other cities around the country and around Minnesota a group called women against violence against women is organizing and promoting the March tonight and one of our studio gas this noon is Catherine satanic a member of that group. The March is focusing on the violence women face in public places and presumably on the streets after dark and specific but violence in the home is also a problem and our second. Guess this noon is Maggie azdor shooby who directs the battered women program run by the state of Minnesota.Happy the both of you could join us this noon and will be opening the phone lines a little while to take calls and comments from our listeners, but maybe Katherine you could begin by telling us so little about the March what its purpose is and what you're trying to accomplish with it. The March which will begin tonight at 6:30 is an opportunity for women to come out and see that other women are working with them on this issue. It's an opportunity for women to feel strong and a night for us together to feel that we can take back the night and the streets how have these marches done in past years? What kinds of attendance of you had we had between 3 and 5000 women last year. We were quite surprised to have eight thousand women show up for the March this evening. We're looking forward to almost as many as last year. It depends on a variety of things the weather is one thing we're thinking about right now, but we do expect 78,000 women there this evening. We're going to do it in any of you have some speakers planned and other activities the rally will begin at 6:30 and we have we have eight different issues that are going to be disgusting. Some of the issues rape will be discussed for sterilization will be discussed women of all red Nations will have a speaker their pet Ballinger. There will be speakers on incest on our problems of racism on battering self-defense and dealing with the Moral Majority and violence against lesbians will have speakers addressing all these different issues calling public attention to the problem of violence against women, maybe La Tavola in your views. But what are you accomplishing? I mean there is anybody who's going to come out in favor of violence against women obviously, right? What the March tries to do is to bring into public awareness sensitivity to the issue. It seems in this society that a lot of people don't take it very seriously and we hope that through educating the public about the incidents of violence against women and how it affects our lives that more people will stand up and do something about it and take it as a serious issue. Public policy changes would you like to see? There are several ways. I think that legislators can act different laws and things which will help to protect women laws. Which which deal with harassment on the job are very important laws, which will protect women on the street from verbal abuse, I think are necessary because these are things that we have to deal with everyday and I don't think women really should have to deal with that when you're talking in this marks not primarily about violence on the street at night specifically, right? Right. Is there anything that can be done to improve that situation? I think that I think that the the police should be more visible on the streets at night and should be More attuned to the problems that women have I think that is a problem of attitudes in society and its going to have to go to have to change attitudes of people before we can actually change the problems themselves. Now you read in the in the newspapers and and see on television that the problem of violence is particularly severe in the in the very largest cities in the country places like New York, Boston Washington DC and so is it really that serious in Minneapolis? And st. Paul? I think that it's just as serious as any of the other large cities the problem is is that we don't really hear about it. It's a quiet type of crime. You don't read front page headlines about rapes. They're occurring but it is a problem and crime statistics prove that it's a problem. I don't think it matters where you live weather in a real Community or in a large city. It is a problem and it is a problem in Minneapolis-Saint Paul area. Of course, it's obviously a very serious problem to the individuals who are affected. But I was just trying to get some notion of the scope of it generally here in the Twin Cities area. Well, we've been talking about violence against two people on the streets pretty much an anonymous kind of thing. At least you would you would think that would generally be the case. I'm more personal kind of violence occurs in the home and Maggie. Can you talk a little bit about that directors of battered women program for the state of Minnesota in the past five and ten years are women who are finally coming out of the closet. So to speak and talking about the violence that they've been experiencing in their homes at the hands of their Partners. It's a very heinous crime the women that come into our shelters have been physically abused many times for years in some cases. The children are physically abused if they aren't physically abused their suffering from emotional abuse by saying their parents beat on each other or their mothers being stricken. Threatened with knives guns whatever and I think with the on-site onslaught of the women's movement more people started calling attention to the issue women started speaking up and saying listen, I need some services in the police aren't helping me. My physician isn't helping me the counselors don't know how to deal with this kind of thing as we had more and more women who are actually abused coming forward saying that this was a problem and asking for services specifically for those kinds of people. What is the program The Chew directed the state of Minnesota and having a strong net worth of people that support the services for battered women, including our legislature and our governor. So presently we have 15 state-funded shelters throughout the state. A1 shelter also in the metro area that does not receive state funding that we have tried to locate shelters in every region including the very rural areas of the state because it is a problem that everybody is experiencing at all levels. All economic levels. Also all population levels. The farm wives the the city people so the shelters now at least are there they're providing services and they also serve as a sign that violence against women in the home is not an acceptable behavior and that there is a need for services in that shelter is their kind of as a as an indication that the state and people are not accepting this as a problem that is going to go away how many cases would these shelters process during the year last year we house 4500 women and children some of those shelters weren't open the full year. So Then that will be a little bit higher this year in the metropolitan area. However, we turned away 80% of the women who requested housing last year. I was over 2,000 women because there was not room in the shelters. It's a 23 minutes past 12. We're talking about violence against women as new on with our guests. Maggie are dwarf shooby director of the state battered women program and Katherine satana a member of women against violence against women, which is sponsoring the march in Minneapolis tonight. We invite you to join the discussion if you like my telephone in the Twin Cities area. The number to call is 227-6002 276 thousand in Minneapolis-Saint Paul and outside the Twin Cities area 800-652-9700 865 to 9700 outside the Twin Cities. Do you have any thoughts Maggie about the causes of Family Violence in particular? There are many things that contribute to the violence against women in the family. I think number one begins with the socialization of men and how they view violence is an acceptable behavior and I always use when I'm talking the example of when a child comes to a mother or father that's been hitting and bullied. If you got a little girl coming to you don't tell that little girl to go out and and stand up for her rights, but we often tell our sons to go out in assert themselves and don't let themselves be bullied around so early on men get the message that it's acceptable behavior to use violence to solve some of their problems. we also we also talk about the control that men use they use violence as a mean to control women often times women can express themselves verbally talk about their feelings and take care of some of their emotional needs that way again men are not often taught those skills when they're growing up how to relate to their feelings, but they do know how to gain control of a situation by using violence and often times. That's what happens in a marriage when a man is having stress for instance or something else is going wrong his method of dealing with that in to regain control of a situation is to strike out the person that it's most safest for him to strike out at and that is his partner if something goes wrong at work. He's not going to hit his boss or he's not going to yell at his boss, but when he goes home, he'll off and take it out on his wife. Because he knows there aren't going to be any. Any reactions to that or he isn't going to suffer any consequences because of that violence to what extent does alcohol abuse play a role in this whole thing alcoholism an issue in many cases, perhaps 50% of the cases, but we've found time and time again, is it women come into the shelters and they'll say well if the if my husband to stop drinking, I'm sure the problem would stop and in many cases they then have gotten CD treatment or whatever. The alcoholism is stopped. But the violence goes on. So in our treatment programs at the state sponsors, for instance, the first thing they do when a man comes in his deal with it the chemical dependency, but then they bring them back into the program and specifically deal with the violent Behavior because dealing with the chemicals does not necessarily stop the violent Behavior listeners on the line would like to join our discussion here. So let's put the headphones on and go to our first caller. Hello. You're on the air. I've got a couple of issues. I was wondering if your people could have dress and these are related to the while they are. Against women but their violence against women by the system. It's supposed to help 1K within the past two years. I've had two to white folks parents as of this sort one of which involved when life was pulled on me in the street by a man. I did not know I screamed and fortunately the people in my neighborhood listen for things like that and a bunch of came out and the guy ran but somebody else recognizes like reported to the police immediately the police took their sweet time about getting to my apartment took about 45 minutes to get there. I was very very afraid because I didn't know whether he knew where I lived or not. Please finally got there. They looked me up and down to see what I done to deserve it. Of course, I do. I don't usually have no dress suggestively or any of those other things that caught usually blame people for I was wearing a midi dress long sleeve high neck on the way. I usually dress when it's slightly cool out and they excuse the guy they knew who he was they said hello and I'll he's just mad cuz it's boyfriend left a mini strong and left. And I ended up feeling us up from the way the cops were dealing with me as though it was somehow my fault for calling him and bothering him. How does one deal with cops this way second issue steals a therapist who are abusive to women, but why don't we would be nice to talk first, I guess about the the issue of how to get deal with the cops when you call the cops in a cup. Peggy the whole system they helping system is often been a problem for women who have been abused whether it's on the street or in the homes. One thing that we try to do continually is training with police because there is a whole blaming the victim kind of syndrome that happens too many people whether they're burglary victims or rape victims. So whatever because oftentimes the professionals were supposed to be helping will say well, what did you do to deserve it? So when we do training we continually try to bring It Forward that it's not the victim's fault perhaps in a relationship with domestic relationship for instance, there's conflict but the victim did not cause the battery the person who is beating that the victim or who draws the knife that that is their responsibility and they must begin to accept the responsibility for that action. So we are trying to you know do training with police to improve their you know, they're their whole training and their ideas about victimization in Minnesota. We try very hard for instance to begin continually telling people that violence against women no matter where it happens is a crime and it should be treated as a crime people should be made to suffer the consequences of that crime. And that means that the police in those kinds of cases should arrest that is their responsibility. Unfortunately, I'm often times. They will have perhaps a victim particularly a woman who doesn't want to prosecute her husband because she knows that once he gets out of jail. He's going to come home and beat her up again, but it is their responsibility to look at that as a crime and to take the responsibility to do their jobs want experience such as this woman had whether it is a bad one in her case or a good one in the case of someone else can can lead a person to Make a general conclusion about the particular matter not do you have any solid information about generally how how the police or respond in these cases? And I think it depends on what kind of training they have and what kind of receptivity they have of when we try to do trainings. Some of our most effective training is done by a couple of police officers that are well-informed about the issue of violence domestic violence and some of those relationships about what happens to a woman why she won't the presses charges some of the police are very good and some of them have a lot of very What might I procure ideas about the issue because again in many cases you have cops who beat their wives. So it's harder for them or a lot of times. They can relate to the man when they go into the house and he's cool and she's hysterical and he says well, you know, she just do you know, she was perhaps sleeping with another guy or she you know, she wasn't home on time. What was I supposed to do and you know, he's there all calm cool and collected. She's at hysterical and then so they can relate to him a little better. And so we continually try to talk to the police about those kinds of attitudes and how that perhaps keeps a woman in a violent relationship longer than she may have to because she sees that the system isn't helping her and again, then she doesn't feel there's any way out of the situation. Okay. We'll move on to another listener with a question why you're on the air? Well, I have absolutely no complaints about the police or medical authorities and handling it. I'm wondering where I could go to have some sort of counseling I choose to live alone, but I'm having trouble dealing with the fear that the memories bring to me and my friends are very helpful. But I I wonder where when we can go for that kind of professional help at a very low minimal cost. Thank you. Okay, there are two State supported programs in the cities that specifically help victims. They're called The Crime Victims centers. There's one in Minneapolis and there's one in St. Paul. There's also one in Austin Minnesota for the southern listeners those organizations help people specifically unifying counseling help them work through some of that fear that people experience as a result of being a victim. I don't have their numbers, but they if you do call the no phones or the hotlines, they will be able to give you those phone numbers were talking about violence specifically against two women this new one and we have another listen to the question. I are on the are no the fear of going out in the night time no matter what age we are working class or middle class. What color we are we are we always have that fear of going into the night and we shouldn't have to have that. However, I and I also feel that your organization's been very successful in attracting a broad spectrum of supporting America's especially because you have focused on that issue in which we all women can relate And stayed away from issues which tend to divide women political issues such as breath abortion or ER. However, I'm curious as to tonight. It's going to speak on dealing with the Moral Majority. I'm not a member of the Moral Majority. But is there an inference here that the moral majority in some ways support violence against women or I just like to ask you why you have that kind of speaker on your program is going to be too and although I haven't read the text of her speech. I think what she's going to be dealing with is how hatred against homosexuals is a form of violence against women because it affects lesbian women which are often the subject of harassment and violence and the Moral Majority is Crusade against these women is a very serious matter because it it reads a certain amount of hatred and that can be very dangerous. Violence against women of a specific type for calling we have a few phone lines open in the Twin Cities area. 227-6000 is the phone number to call outside Minneapolis Saint Paul 800-652-9700. Hi, you're on the air. Night, and secondly, I know it's often true that men who beat their wives also beat their children and obviously don't belong in society. What are we doing with them or either too many to do anyting about them. Kathryn Morris this evening will be at it will begin at Loring Park. That's where the rally in the Gathering is. So Loring Park is right next to Minneapolis Community College downtown. It's right off Hennepin Avenue. It shouldn't be too difficult to find OB signs leading to parking and and everything else. It's right in Loring Park is where it begins and I'm right around 6:30. Right? Right. The rally will begin at 6:30 in the March will leave the park at 8:32 of that question what to do about these folks to do cause the problem by calling attention to the issue as more people become aware that it is a problem and begin to recognize it and not deny it we're going to hopefully see a turnaround, but the only way that will happen is number one if the men who are violent either against their wives or their children. Must begin to recognize that that is their responsibility and to get some type of counseling. It's been shown in the statistics that we have that 98% of the men will continue to beat their wives without some type of formal counseling. So what we're trying to do is develop some specific treatment programs for men who are violent to deal specifically with that behavior, but the thing that becomes more important realizes that as violence goes on in the family is children see it the children are our future batters. And so we must begin to break that cycle of violence as we call it. And again that means working with the children beginning to recognize how we raise our our boys for instance and are girls so that boys have those emotions denied and don't know how to recognize them and deal with them and again on the third hand. It's the helping system that must begin to respond effectively the police must Respond, the judicial response the counselors all those types of people must begin to say that violence against women domestic violence is unacceptable behavior, and we're not going to tolerate it. Friends can do that too. That's another area friends and family must stand behind victims and not get into the blaming roll. But again helped her perhaps by providing Services listening to them and intervening when possible We have more listeners with questions. Our next caller is standing by how you're on the air. Would you turn your radio down before you go on please? If you turn up the radio that causes that feedback and okay, go ahead. And also the extended family can I wonder what kind of process the family goes to when it does get treatment in? Okay. Okay, like I mentioned that we have a couple of programs in the cities that we're funding to the Department of Corrections at our model treatment programs. We hope to learn some things from those programs and then trained treatment providers throughout the state but both of those programs deal with the whole family if the woman friends who wants to get help we do not or Counseling in those programs. We do not force her into counseling because again, that is her choice if she feels she needs it but both those programs all excuse me, one of the programs has a children's component the children come in and go through groups go through some types of therapy where they begin to recognize the fear in the anger that they are experiencing is about as a result of seeing violence in their family and just working through a lot of that type of anger. Those programs both start out with group separate men in separate groups women in separate groups. And in one case of children in separate groups after an extended. Of time the programs to bring the families together and then begin to deal with those same types of issues in the family situation when program in particular the domestic abuse project in Minneapolis have their first graduation a couple months ago. They call it graduation. The people finally got through the whole program and it was real emotional experience because those people did the Indian in many cases have their families back together and that's unusual because in most cases if a woman leaves and if the man does not get some type of treatment the family unit will break up Feliz kinds of programs are going to be there very new hoping that we'll have some successes again right now. There are so few people in the state that know how to treat men. I'm specifically with violent behavior that it becomes difficult when people for instance from Crookston or Moorhead want to get some type of treatment program in there isn't anything available at this point, but that's our hope down the road to do some training out there. Maggie artist door should be director of the battered women programs in the state of Minnesota is with us this new one and so is Catherine's Tammy from women against the violence against women, which is sponsoring the march in Downtown Minneapolis tonight. We have another caller with a question higher on the air. Go ahead, please. The first to the violence against women, there's been a recent study of families throughout the United States. If it's the conclusion was reached the four out of every 100 children under the age of 17 are being abused or neglected. This is from a book price off me the story of child abuse by Margaret Hyde Hyde, and another book states that all forms of child abuse are claiming. Mm young lives a year. The death toll makes abuse the number 5 killer of children in the United States running has to have it or one accidents cancer inherited physical and mental defect in the movie about something that's abuse will soon pass those and then with regard to alcohol and child abuse. There's the statement that alcohol was involved in 14% of cases to 18.5% of the cases of neglect. I think these statistics are knew where there's low self-esteem and the statistics have been hard to come by. But they're beginning to be available. Thank you very much for calling. We appreciate hearing from you. Let's move along to our next listen to now. Hello, you're on the air. I was the first person that called and I don't feel that my question was answered. And I also did not get to ask. My second question. Should be doing but what kind of victim do when they don't do it? Okay, the second question was with regard to abuse of clients by counselors. Also within the past two years. I had an experience in which a psychologist him. I was seeing to deal with the after effects of child abuse into rape physically assaulted me I fought back and he had me arrested for assault. Okay. Well, I'm not sure whether we can take a second swing if that one or not, but would you like to try Okay in terms of a police specifically not responding to your call or whatever, I think. I think you could complain weather is to the chief of police or whatever. If you didn't feel your services were adequate again, there are so many Women's Resource Center Resource Centers in the cities and metropolitan area that I would urge you to be in touch with Chrysalis brand stats in Minneapolis any of the shelters in the metropolitan area can put you in touch with counselors that they feel are in tune with women's concerns in Council specifically women who are battered or who have been victims to help you work through some of that anger and frustration. Also, I would urge you, you know, when you if you do contact some of those people to talk about the assault I misunderstood you initially on the counseling issue, but if you have been assaulted by a therapist again, there are professional organizations that do not contain condone that kind of behavior and I would urge you again to get in contact with some type of a feminist counselor who can help you work through that and then go through the process of formally complaining about that activity. 15 minutes now before 1 we're talkin about violence against women this new owner. We have another listener higher on the year last year. I marched with my family in a group of friends and they can I plant in March tonight with a big group of people men women and children and I want to know is the policy that was an effect last year putting people that are with man in the back of the line going to be continued again this year and if it is why is that done? Catherine okay, the way the March is organized is at in the front sections of the March. It is a woman's only group because the March is a march by women for women. That's that's the theme of the night smart men are encouraged to support us by marching. There will be sections which are mix sections which will follow the women's only sections. It's not necessarily the back of the line, but it definitely is not the front of mine because I'll do it when it's only session we encourage mint account. We need men also for child support if they like to support us and that way but men and families are definitely encouraged to attend it is not the policy of the organization to be exclusive but this is an evening which women like to get together and feel United in their in their March against violence. Where do you put them? I'm sure that if that if the child wants to be with his mother which most of them do they will march with their mothers in the March regardless of where they made being women or men in all sections. Most of the children that don't like to go on the Long March because it's about at least at least a mile so they go into child care, but I'm sure there would be no objections to male children marching with their mothers. Listen to know how you're on the air. That was not federally funded and if they could be in Flawless what it is or where it is. And then how are they funded do you happen to know the name? Sure, you misunderstood me a little bit all of the 15th shelters in the state are state-funded the the other shelter. I was referring to his home free in Plymouth, which is supported mostly by County funds. We did not receive any federal funds for any of the shelters at this time other than perhaps some good money for buildings in that type of thing, but for their operation, it's all state money or private Foundation money and local contributions. All of the shelter's can always use contributions, whether there and clothing or donations of furniture or particularly money to keep them going. So I'm glad you wrote that, you know, raise that question. But the one that doesn't receive funding from us at this point is Home Free. There is one other private shelter in the metropolitan area at St. Joseph's house. That is run strictly by the Catholic Church on donations. You may have answered this earlier and talkin about the shelters. But what is their total capacity in the Twin Cities area specifically has about 50 women and children. How about the one? Oh, I would say it's probably. About a hundred women and children at any one time are they scattered geographically evenly across the street right there when we tried to put them in Regional development areas. So they are very well spread ya geographically from Toulouse to Thief River Falls to Marshall to Rochester. We have more listeners with questions. Let's go back to the telephone Tire on the air. Go ahead, please. Jeanette was suck. Domestic violence if the victim is afraid to prosecute what can the police really do. I think that the police can do a number of things. I think the the more that a woman here is friends what her rights are. Both from the police and perhaps from a shelter or a service for battered women the more likely she is going to do something to begin to change that situation that she's in it oftentimes takes women a long time to reach the realization that the domestic violence isn't going to stop until they begin to take steps to change that situation in their lives. But the more that they see for instance that the cops when they can for instance arrest when probable cause exists when they utilize that resource to them and take the responsibility off the woman to arrest and prosecute and do that themselves that begins to give her the message that yeah, what he's doing is illegal and other people are beginning beginning to recognize that then she too I think we'll begin even though the process is slow to take those steps today. Change the situation the other thing, you know in most regions of the shelters are more than willing to provide a small card with their telephone number on it. And if the police are willing to at least hand that resource information to the woman, she may not take take it and make a phone call initially but maybe 2-3 months down the road. She will call that shelter and again, they will help her through that process the prosecuting process if she chooses to do that. Can you expand just a little bit on that arrest for probable cause statement that you made out 2 years ago passed with me call the probable cause arrest law it gives to the officers of the permission to arrest an assailant if probable cause exists that he did assault his wife or partner. There are a few conditions one is that the assault took place within the past more hours that they are physical signs of injury. There are no longer any restrictions that the arrest must be made in the assailants home. They can arrest wherever the assault happens and what that and they the police are also. Immune from liability that is specifically written into the law. And the value of this is what it takes the responsibility off the woman to press charges. She does not have to sign a complaint against her husband or partner. Okay. Well, we have more listeners with questions for you. So we'll move on to our next caller how you're on the air? confirm She was not treated correctly by the police in the counselor. She is is a US citizen or whatever can take responsibility for prosecution by filing a formal complaint. She needs to see the prosecutor to do that. There's also some potential like doing that but that's Tear gas type chemical devices and I was wondering what why was position is on these? Catherine I don't know that why has a specific position on anything in particular like that? I think that we encourage women to learn self-defense and took to act in a defensive type of way towards assailant. I don't know that they would that endorse a check their products, but I'm sure that that's something that each person has to make an official decision on anyway, so awesome action of the legislature this past year on tear gas containers. Yes, I believe that it made it legal for women or anybody for that matter to carry them as a method of self-defense. 6 1/2 minutes before when we were talking about violence against women then we have some more people with questions. Hello. You're on the air. When you separate men from women and when you adopt that policy, aren't you indirectly telling men we speak to the actors in the feminist movement that for sending him a very negative message telling them that the goal of the whole thing is not or is is not to create any quality butter fact separation. Okay, let me clarify the policy. We don't separate men from women. We have sections which are women only sections and women can choose to Marginal sections or they can march with men in other sections. There's a number of reasons for this. It's not meant to divide what it's meant to is to to do is to offer space for women many of which have been abused and had some very bad experiences that don't feel comfortable marching with men. They it's a night where they want to protest the fact that they have been abused and that these things have affected their lives. We feel that we all these women a space which they can call their own in the March. It. It doesn't it's not a negative type of thing and it shouldn't be viewed that way we encouragement. We know we are more than willing to find a place for man in our fight against violence against women. Tell me just a Lil Bit about your group. How many members do you have? How are you finance to these kind of things network of women that it's been together three years now in exact numbers. It's it's very difficult to place what are numbers are about between 50 and 100 women work on the March including several hundred Marshalls that also contribute we're basically funded through endorsements for the March and through sales of t-shirts which advertising March also, but it's it's a Grassroots type of organization which confronts media and looks to get public awareness and education on the issues of violence against women, right? We have another listening for the call. Do we we do okay. Go ahead please you're on the air. Listen to the discussion about the men in the mark that I think it's been really support and movement. Yes, we're encouraging men to show their support in that way. So that women can March in the March. It is on March where women can feel very strong for one night out of the year. It's it's very symbolic into a lot of them. It's very emotional and personal evening. 3 minutes before 1 we're just about down to the end of the hour here talking about violence against women with Catherine's Otani from women against violence against women and Maggie are dwarf should be director of the state of Minnesota has battered women program. Maggie one final question for you, I guess in and we've kind of talked a little bit about this but more about the problem in rural areas one would suspect the people are a little more reluctant in rural areas to talk much about this issue. They are very reluctant in many real areas. What we're finding is that the longer shelter in an organization that's fighting violence domestic violence in an area of long as they've been there the more acceptable it becomes to talk about the issue. It's very it's very frightening and it's very hard for many women Princeton Square on farms or out in a very small town to get Services perhaps because of the violence are because of the behavior of their husbands, they are very isolated. They perhaps don't have transportation to a shelter in some cases. They don't even have phones. So it's very frightening for them and it's becomes even harder for us to do reach those women because we we have some of those barriers because of the geography but that's why we talked about it do training and all kinds of areas women's groups ladies a types organizations. So people begin to realize It is a problem in the world areas and that we need to deal with it. Does your approach find some acceptance out there more and more as we have been or has an organization has been in an area for a. Of Time Marshall Princeton Southside specifically the shelter has been there now for three years. And so the women are more and more willing to come into the shelter. They know that it's there. They know it's a resource. Where's in Thief River Falls a shelter is only been open for about 6-8 months and there's still some of that reluctance to accept it violence has a problem up in the Pennington County. I just like to add that tonight. We will have a speaker addressing isolation of farm women and battering in rural areas. And I think that that would be very helpful to women and outlying areas are coming in. We've enjoyed having you this noon and we wish you good luck with the weather for your March tonight will also wish good luck to Prairie Home Companion with the weather too because despite to 50% chance of showers. We've received notice to Prairie Home Companion will be outside tonight at the sculpture garden right across the street from the World Theater 200 tickets are left. I'll go on sale. Pa330 right outside and among the guests on Tonight Show the Bluegrass band Stoney Lonesome the new moon String Band local favorites Peter ostroushko and Tommy Lieberman as well the Prairie Home Companion now taking taking of the rabbit's foot in hand and going outside tonight at downtown Saint Paul. That's a program for today. This is Bob Potter reporting from Saint Paul. Technical director was Fred Weiser. Thanks to Dorothy Hanford for answering the phones. This is Minnesota Public Radio.