And hello again from Macalester College in st. Paul. This is Bob Potter speaking and tonight Minnesota Public Radio presents the last in the series of debates between the major-party candidates for the three major offices in next Tuesday's election. This broadcast is made possible with the financial assistance of the st. Paul fire and Marine insurance company tonight. You'll be listening to the D FLIR and American party candidates for the six years senate seat dfl income in Wendell Anderson arranged his appointment to the rest of Walter Mondale sent it to him when Mondale was elected vice president ever since Anderson has fared poorly in a number of public opinion surveys is IR Challenger Rudy boschwitz held a 20-point lead over Anderson in the early days of the campaign, but in the latest, Minnesota pull that lead has been cut to just 3% boschwitz has mounted an aggressive expensive campaign in his effort to defeat Anderson.The American Party candidate is sell car loan a private investigator in general contractor who has never before saw public office. This debate is sponsored by the League of Women Voters in cooperation with common cause of Minnesota the format provides for opening and closing statements by the three candidates and in between questions from a panel of three people representing print and broadcast journalism, and the public tonight's panelists are Steve dornfeld staff writer for the Minneapolis Tribune Karen boros WCCO television reporter and and Darby deputy director of community outreach programs for the Minneapolis Urban League. And now let's go to the podium and the moderator of tonight's debate Helen Borg president of the League of Women Voters of Minnesota. His character.The candidates with us tonight are the major party candidates those that received at least 5% of the vote in the last general election. Each candidate will give an opening and closing statement 2 minutes in length the order of which was determined by draw before coming out here. The rest of the hour will be devoted to the question-and-answer session the panelists conducting the questioning tonight will be a representative of the house represents the citizens and Darby of the Minneapolis Urban League a member of the electronic media care and Boris reporter for WCCO television and representing the print media Steve dornfeld writer staff writer for the Minneapolis Tribune candidates have been informed of the time limit for their responses. We ask that you observe at limit closely as moderator. I have to cut you off when your time is up in order to get in as many questions as possible the audience will withhold Applause until the end of evening and now I'd like to introduce to you the candidate who will begin with the opening statements mist. car loan American Party candidate for the 6-year US senate seat Good evening. Ladies and gentlemen. I am sale car loan because the American party proclaims Jesus Christ as Lord and Savior. I believe his light a Jewish Anti-Defamation League excluded are candidates from there. Any promoted meet the Kansas session in the Press said Anderson is most concerned about his Joy supporter. I refuse to favor one ethnic group over the others. When I complain to the Press about not giving her candidacy Full Exposure. They tell me they only print news yet since I began speaking out against Anderson advice. What's my entire family received much a rassman the FBI parked in front of my brother's house. So often and spiritual his windows. It'll earn his entire family. When he finally went outside to ask what they wanted a pointed guns at him and accused him of a selfie and federal officers. Does this make any sense? My brother being unarmed 5.9 and 170 lb champ UFC 200 strangers after they charged. Newest video. I made it a point of using my name referring to these phony charges against my brother there by Associated me in a criminal light obviously to Spira my campaign. I asked you was a criminal to confront those who trespass upon your home sanctity. I believe the mail center and power. I had the influence to Institute this action since questioning boschwitz on statements. The Jewish defense league has begun a terrorist campaign against my candidacy phone calls threats at cetera. I despatched out of out over 400 press releases regarding these events and received no response whatsoever yet the Minneapolis Star Tribune St. Paul Dispatch Pioneer Press to get my opponents countless pages of newspaper exposure many times just to announce Such trivial matters like Anderson claiming boschwitz stole his tapes, obviously these newspapers and I print all the news and they are especially biased against my campaign. What is Sims? They must share the guilt for the Sinister entrapments of are you such as why drug abuse and pornography or so widespread today? Because he's our People who control the voice of all president potential Authority regarding the laws of our land. These are the people who are expected to attend democratic-farmer-labor Party candidate. I'd like to thank the League of Women Voters and common cause for making this time available and I must say salt the first time anybody's charge of the press is treated me to favorably and I it's a new charge. I don't know how to handle it. My 20 years in public life are all in the public record hundreds of proposals thousands of decisions and votes right ones and some wrong ones. My record shows that I'm a Minnesota dfl her. I want Progressive and compassionate government. I work for a government that cares about Ordinary People represents them and supports their hopes and aspirations the people of this state one clean air to breathe clean water to drink and a clean environment to enjoy and that's what I've been working for. They asked a chance to work a decent wage for salary pension that can depend on I tried to help achieve. Those things are people need homes. They can afford and neighborhoods and communities that can be proud of that's been my goal. They want opportunity in education and business on the job. Minnesotans want their country protected but they don't want to be prisoners of hate and fear. Neither. Do I they want good medical care that doesn't bankrupt them. They want decent lives for their aging parents for the growing children and the grandchildren to come the people of the state want government to be fiscally responsible and effective and devoted to their needs and concerns the aren't looking for special privilege, but they do want a fair Shake minnesotans want to share the promise of America and they should and I believe they can I've tried very hard to represent the people who cannot afford high paid lobbyists. I tried to stand for the principals at Hubert Humphrey stood for and I care about the people he cared for that's the kind of United States Senator the people of the state want and need and deserve and that's the kind of United States Senator. I've tried to be and will continue to be Thank you for including the opening statement is mr. Boschwitz. Independent Republican Party candidate. I'd like to join Senator Anderson and thanking the league and come and cause the making this debate possible. I started this campaign over a year ago and have invested a year of my life because I have infusiasm and optimism about solving the problems that face all country. I'm enthusiastic and optimistic about solving the problem of inflation by slowing the growth rate of government, which is presently 11% down to the growth rate of the economy, which is only 5% The government can simply not grow twice as fast as your income. Technically, I'm enthusiastic and also optimistic about solving the problem of energy. I've developed the balance and comprehensive energy program based on three points first conservation at all levels of society with government leading the way secondly increase production of domestic oil and natural gas thirdly accelerated research and development of alternative energy means such as solar energy. I'm also enthusiastic and optimistic about a third problem and that is a responsible and comprehensive tax reduction plant. The first point. There is a meeting for reduction of income tax rates. Not just the special interest groups secondly tax indexing which would take place three or four years from now thirdly increased estate tax relief for the people can pass the life work on to their children and finally one tax table for all individuals. I spent my whole life getting things done. That's my specialty. That's why I'm both enthusiastic and optimistic about getting things done in the US Senate most of the senators of politicians who spent all of their lives and politics. I've just been getting things done and I'm going to get things done for you in the United States Senate. Thank you. Mr. Dorenfeld. Would you please begin the questioning? Thank you, Senator Anderson. The self appointment issue has received much attention during the campaign this year. I think you said it one time that you wish there had been a special election law on the books in late 76 at the time that the Mondale senate seat became vacant. Earlier in 1976 while you were still Governor the Senate passed two different bills that would have provided for special elections to fill Senate vacancies in both cases members of your staff lobbied against the bills and they were defeated by your dfl allies in the house. Why did you oppose those bills with a fight very hard to have a special election to fill Senate vacancies. The fact is that the law was changed about 60 years ago by the Republicans the Republican election. I've been hella that time I think every poll indicates that we would have done very very well. I might say this I think that you can make many charges against Wendy Anderson, but when you can't make those that have been afraid to submit my name to the voters of Minnesota of the four candidates running for two Senate seats, I'm the only one that's ever ran unsuccessfully for public office. I've held elective office for 18 years. I think it's a very legitimate issue but I just did what I assure you that I pride myself on the fact that it's tough to run for public office in Minnesota. And when I started running in 1958, in fact, I ran three times for public office and was elected before my opponent even move to Minnesota. So I think it's a legitimate issue, but I think November 7th the people Minnesota will Judge Me based on my total record and I think it's a good one. Mr. Boschwitz. Do you want to comment on that question? Noah I would say that there have been many senators appointed in the state of Minnesota. Governor has never appointed himself before it's happened only eight times in the history of our country and all the states and of those 807 were defeated because people have knocked like the the arrogance the arrogance that is associated with self appointment. So not only haven't they liked it here in Minnesota, but they haven't liked it and other states as well Mister Car Loan. Would you like to come in on the margin would jump in the United States Senate for a Romanian one and a half years where if he would have just stayed at his Deli elected Foster the People elected him for he would could win by a landslide now, I do not believe Wendell Anderson wanted a position of the Senate. I believe he was ordered into it. And another thing I'd like to get straight with. Mr. Anderson is where do you get the idea? There's only four candidates for the Senate seats. I happen to be here from the American party. Miss Darby, would you ask the next question? Miss The Bachelorette There's been a lot of talk in this campaign about tax cut back and federal programs cut that how do you make Federal cutbacks and still be assured that the services will continue for citizenry, especially low-income the elderly and disadvantage. I support the the job creation and tax cut act which would cut taxes by 30% can be over three years can be over four or five years. I think it's very important that we start the business of tax-cutting in this country two countries in the world have done it very consistently Germany and Japan his health has helped their kind of meat very very much. You have to be careful. You can't just cut taxes and expect to all kinds of good things to happen history seems to prove that good things do happen that there is more incentive that there is more in this society and when it happened in our country in 1963, the government did not lose tax revenue. However, I think that if you do cut taxes a couple of other things have to happen first of all, and I said my opening statement who growth rate of government has to be slow. The government has been growing at 11% a year for the last 30 years in 1963. It was the first federal budget that was a hundred billion dollars. It's going to be 500 billion dollars this coming year. The problem is that most working people in this country Have Nots quintuple their budget their own income rather in the Bible. You are. In the 15-year. Government has grown five times working people's income has not grown five times as a result. The government takes deeper into your pocket or the government prints more money that's inflationary the first and foremost if you reduce taxes, you also have to reduce the growth rate of gum. And secondly, I'm against the kind of tax reform that we just passed it was 19 billion dollars worth of tax refund that 11% of all the income tax is collected in this country. I say just cut the right across the board everybody this income tax reform is going to help very very few. If any of the listeners here tonight as a matter of fact the the income tax reform. Help only a small minority of the people but yet it's 350 pages long. It has responded to the squeaky wheel. It has responded to the special interest group just added in 1976. So no more reform just reduce the rate and slow the rate growth of government and indeed we can't have packed that's in this country as they have a 1963 and they had in Germany and Japan and continue to have Mister Car Loan, would you comment on the dollars away under the guise of foreign aid United Nations payoffs etcetera. And at the same time we don't have enough for our people here at home. We have millions of people right here in our own country or in dire need and still they keep sending us money do many countries overseas as far as the camp rock bill. It goes I would be for any tax cut that would not cut out needed money to our senior citizens and so far our government and national debt to somewhere around three trillion dollars. And in reality. It's 7.58 trillion + what this means that means every takbir today would have to pay $151,000 to, even with the board. So that means our grandchildren are even going to be obligated to this death and it's going to keep on Rising as long as we have your socialistic ideas about cutting these Texas and so far to cut the taxes, let's got to giving the money away to begin with. Mr. Anderson, I think the problem is inflation. I think that the tax program that my opponent supports would be disaster. I think it's Republican disaster. I think it's nothing more than a campaign gimmick. Let's so listen to what people have to say. You're not running for office this year. Businessweek says this about Camp Roth and Roth again is a hundred billion dollar tax reduction with no effort to reduce the federal budget business. We both would add a hundred billion dollars to a deficit that is already dangerously swollen, it would touch off and inflationary explosion that would wreck the country and impoverished everyone on a fixed income Walter Heller the huge surge in demand created by kamprath would overwhelm our supply capacity and soon generate soaring deficits and roaring inflation Gardner. Actually, I regard temp Roth proposal as dangerous to our economy and our society is hardly an economist in the country. That has any kind of credibility at all was supporting kamprath. I would also remind my opponent that I think the tax burden in this country is too heavy but when you mentioned Germany and Japan tax burden are substantially heavier than it is in this country of all industrialized countries are burden is second from the bottom and terms of foreign aid of all, the industrialized countries are per capita giving it's almost at the bottom almost at the bottom. Is Boris would you please ask the next question you have been in some of your ads you've been accusing or if you've been mentioning it with your boschwitz in his family left Germany in 1931 think the ads and go on to say at a time when only criminals were leaving the country did Hitler didn't come to power until 1933. You've been charged with making a dice have Medics Medics statements and I wondered just what you're trying to get out of this attack on Bosch. What's well, I'm glad you brought it up because I wanted to get that explain here has published in the Minneapolis Tribune last Saturday. The story is a complete fabrication and just to give you an idea nowadays that aren't we all sin and missed your call album made the statement that mr. Richard Patterson Argonaut oil Canada and myself make anti-semitic statements. I talked to Arnie Alton was unable to reach. Mr. Pollo. Almani Olson told me she would sell that Saturday that the Minneapolis Tribune is one of the biggest route twisters in the country and I really Barney this time because it says right here in the front page Paul Helm American Party candidate for senate seat now held by Wendell Anderson not this is true. Why am I sitting here? Why isn't here? Historian is press here. I even make no anti-semitic statements against anybody. I favor no ethnic groups over the other. I love all the people and I'm not saying that for a political punch. That you were married and the Twin City reader. I pulled it out of this Twin City Raider, which was published in October of 1977 and said Rudy boschwitz stated the box with Jewish Family fled Germany in 1931. And I asked a simple question on a campaign. I said, why would Rudy boschwitz say is Jewish Family fled Germany in 1931, when did not come to power tool 1933 otters only two kinds of people I'd use the word fly dairy or frighten people are criminals. And that's the way I put it now why it frightened 1931 when Hitler was not even in power until 1933 is insinuation 1894. I was lucky enough to be born in Minnesota. I give Rudy boschwitz lot of credit for being wise enough to come to our great state. And I must say this Hubert Humphrey was born in South Dakota. He was not a native so I can I think you should judge Mr. Boschwitz and Me based on a position on issues who can be the most effective Senator where he is born is immaterial to me and I'm glad you're a Minnesotan. Mr. Bosch. Let's take a look when Mr. I'll try not to question one area where you have had some disagreements with you made much of the fact that Senator Anderson is missing votes this year while back in Minnesota campaigning for election, isn't it? True that every member of Congress every election mrs. Votes regardless of party example of of your party is good material candidate. Yes, it is true. But the figures that I you use come from the Congressional Record. So let me cite them and let me compare them with other senators in 1978. There were 520 votes cast in the United States Senate my opponent missed 269. That means he had a 48% attendance record. The average attendance record of all Senators including those running for re-election was 87% My my opponent ranked among the 100 Senators 99 the two years. If you take all of the votes for two years together, he was a little better he rang 96th. Of the 22 Senators who are running for re-election this year. He ranked 22nd take that Brooke of Massachusetts. He had a very tough primary race. He had a very tough election race season than baldness now and he had other problems doing the cost of the year. He didn't make 48% of the vote is my opponent. Did he made 73% of the vote Senator Tower of Texas who is behind in the polls made 88% of the votes Senate a person who is quite fall behind in the polls Senator Percy of Illinois made 84% of the vote over 80 Senators made over 80% of the votes, Senator Mundial in 1976, when he was running for the vice-presidency had a better percentage attendance record. Then my opponent Senator Humphrey when he was going all over the country in 1972 seeking the presidency had a better percentage record for voting than my opponent. And so it goes on and on on agriculture my opponent Miss 6 out of 10 votes including the emergency Farm Act in defense. He missed 13 or 17 votes in education. He missed 20 out of 23 votes including all nine of the elementary and secondary education vote 22 Senators. Steve are running for re-election this year and their average attendance record was in the 80s. So in the 80 percentage is in some of them have very difficult reelection the campaign to the three I mentioned So there's no question about it. The Congressional Record says of the 100 Senators my opponent ranked 99th. And for the two years taken together. It was 96 sarkar long. Would you like to come in and then? well, I think a senator should have done all of meetings why Wendell doesn't I have no idea but Are you? all I can say is if I was there I'd be taking them all in like the rest of the Senators should History Anderson Isle of Public Service. I love serving in the senate in 1977. I made 90% of the votes up to July one 1978. I made 84% of the votes since that time when they primary starting to campaign season, so I missed a lot of votes. I remind you that between July one and September one elk we Eliquis attendance record of the 435 members of the house. He drank four hundred and thirtieth 430 out of 435. I did rank for the campaign. 99 out of a hundred because of bacteria are the tough primer and I've got a tough general election race, but the fact is for 1978 Alcoa and I are ten inch record is almost identical almost identical. I can understand why you're so concerned about absenteeism. Miss Darby, would you ask the next question? What's a car loan? You have criticized for an aide as a rip off and you suggested that most of the reciprocals would probably rather see us dead. We vote us really want to know what are your real views on foreign aid. Are you saying that we should eliminate it? The only time we should give Aid to foreign countries is in time of national disaster or famine foreign aid is is creating the biggest burden on our people. This is where all the tax money is going all these billions of dollars going into the Middle East all these countries not only as real but Egypt and Arabia is real right now a little little nation of Less Than 3 million people as a third largest Airforce in the world and it has this Air Force at the expense of the American people the American people. They pay all into the taxes. Just last year. Our government came out in the press and said they were running drastically short of money in a Nautica possibly meet the source of Social Security payments or I retired senior citizens who is important more important here who is retired senior citizens who work hard and pay their lives and out of sorts of security program of are the suddenly become insecure or a bunch of foreigners. Most of most of these foreigners. This money goes to our are nothing more than to Rent-A-Car dictators. And and that's what keeps them in government and they could care less about people of America. Mr. Anderson, would you like to come in all of the countries in the Western World? I mentioned earlier we do the poorest job and my judgment of providing a little of it all it's embarrassing. What we do is we finish third world countries and other nations in the world weapons rather than providing them with domestic help since the end of World War II we sold or given away over a hundred and twenty billion dollars worth of sophisticated weapons when it comes to foreign aid. Most of the foreign aid that we provide we do with ourselves in mind. We provided for third world countries so that they'll have the wherewithal to buy American Goods. I think we ought to be putting less money into selling weapons overseas and putting more money into improving the economy of third world countries so that they will be a market for our goods and create jobs in this country. Mystery boxes, I believe in the precepts of foreign aid and helping those who are in need in this world. I would like to see a more expanded food for peace program 36% of the inhabitants of all World a billion 400 million people are starving and yet we have a surplus we have our granaries. I would like to see an expansion of the food for peace. I'd also like to see an expansion and international relations of the Peace Corps once again, and I think that Bringing all young people bringing our elderly people bringing Americans abroad to show the spirit of our country is the thing that will make the friends that we need in this world foreign aid is something that my judgment has been misused to be sure but it is a basis of our Foreign Relations not friendships that we establish around the world. Miss Boris next question president campaign rally at the Duluth Arena. This will be the second trip to the state the third City that the president and vice president who visited a good deal of it in your behalf today. The head of the Minneapolis seniors were saying that that proves the campaign is desperate people in Northeast. Minnesota said, it won't make any difference at their minds are made up and not in your favor. What what do you think this kind of trip accomplishes? Is it is it is it a media Ploy? First of all, I'm I'm delighted the president is between the Minnesota. I'd remind you that there to United States Senate seats up in Minnesota. That's so unique only one other state. I believe we're there to Senate seats up. He has a concern he has an interest. I'm delighted that he's coming I think will be of some help and what it does do it does attract the media. It does attract people and we feel if we have a chance to get our message across we can describe her. In the background and if people find out about it we win but I think it's a compliment to the people of Minnesota president of the United States is interested enough and coming back again. Mr. Boschwitz, it may be a compliment to the people of Minnesota. But it's also an enormous expense to the people of Minnesota. The president is coming with a large group of Secret Service people advancing him. The vice president is coming and they come in separate planes at 30. $30,000 a day and you know because I believe that that we have to do something in your campaign the counter it with sending off for his team up to Duluth my 4 Sons Jerry and Ken and Dan and Tom are going to go up to Duluth and Tom and Dan's car and it's a Ford it's going to cost us about $0.12 a mile and We're going to have our first team up there, too. Okay, Mister Car Loan. Where are you? I could never understand why the president keeps flying in here to keep dog in for his ear as friends. I think it's this particular myself. I never attended a $500 a plate dinner nor nor $100 a plate dinner. I am more used to eating at McDonald's. That's the way it is it me. I think Carter has a lot of hard work to do in Washington. And that's where you should be right now instead of spending the taxpayers money. What is the president so I can tell him what to do yet? I think I'll change the format just a little and go to some shorter questions and answers with each candidate spending just one minute on on his answer Mr. Dornfeld. Would you ask a question the area of National Defense should the United States be developing spending money to develop the B-1 bomber the neutron bomb and the nuclear the nuclear carrier and and how big Grizzly at the same time. Should we be pursuing some kind of an arm's a new arms agreement with the Soviet Union. Let's begin for Mister Car Loan. Well, I believe the United States should always maintain the greatest of power but I worked up into Lee rain on a 1956. I seen the air base up there. I was across the Atlantic and I was across the Pacific I seen our military installations. I spent four and a half years in the Army and Marine Corps and I say that's right. Now we've got a big party in a world 20 x Oliver and I don't think we need this big Overkill the neutron bomb when I was developed is a ridiculous thing. Why should you want to kill a country full of people and leave the building the real reason it's fine was being instituted was because a few years ago. There was talk about Israel bombing the oil field and they were afraid to destroy the oil wells. And for this reason, I believe in the only reason why does neutron bomb they want to be developed and I believe they should not develop it as far as a B-1 bomber go as we've got the straddle bombers that'll take care of everything we need right now. And this country will never be invaded by a land Force. Mr. Anderson are strongly opposed to sorry weapon system. I opposed to the development of another supercarrier. The neutron bomb I'm going to say is an artillery shell and the issue is whether or not our NATO allies allies want it. They Russians have built up their tank force their the Congress gave the president The Authority for production. I voted against that I feel that the critical foreign policy issue in 1979. As far as I'm concerned is assault who talks it makes absolutely no sense at all and it hasn't given a security for the United States with accumulated some 9,000 Atomic weapons. The Russians have over 4,000 the whole purpose of salt to use to see if the Russians and the United States can find some way to reduce the number of Delivery Systems at a starting figure about 2,200. I think it's very much in our national interest. I hope to be able to support the salt to agreement. Mister Boxford, I believe very much in the idea of the Strategic arms limitation talks, but it has to be mutuality. It has to be accompanied by very adequate inspection. Certainly the idea of limited limiting armaments has to be a part of our future. However, I don't believe in unilateral disarmament. So that's why I oppose the discontinuance of the B-1 bomber that doesn't mean we have to build a fleet of them or we cannot unilaterally the song it's dangerous but we have to keep it on the drawing boards. We have to make a few models. We have to keep it going the same thing with the neutron bomb, which is the unholiest of weapon that kills people but leaves the building standing the nuclear carrier, I would oppose because it's too expensive as a single piece of military weaponry and I believe that we do have a future if we have strategic arms limitation talks with mutual to Solomon and with adequate inspection. Miss Darby, would you ask a question start with mr. Anderson, please? Very cold Winters here in Minnesota and are utility bills a very costly. What do you intend to do about these increased cost and their impact on the consumers, especially the elderly on fixed income the disadvantage and the low-income consumer. One of the reasons is the Apex V are countries are going to increase the price of oil. I believe in the future the other is that the deregulated natural gas about 40% of our people use natural gas to heat cool houses. We have provided under the new Energy bill a $3 tax credit for those who insulate their homes. We have sponsored and gotten through the Congress a Lifeline utility rate bill, which makes it possible for a Public Service Commission to give a special rate to senior citizens and to the poor and those who are under certain income restrictions can receive grants. From the federal government to bring their homes into code in terms of energy conservation. Those things will be of some help to help the poor to help the elderly to help those who cannot afford the energy needs to their own homes. I support the emergency Energy emergency assistance act which has been passed which has an operator too. Well, the regulations on it have to be Rewritten so that those who are in need will get the kind of assistance. They need I also support the lifeline utility rate bill. I also support the idea that that we have to bring into production more energy in this country more natural gas and oil so that we get out of the hands of the OPEC Nation. They have no regard whatsoever for the situation in this country for elderly for today raise the rates are they raise the cost of energy without regard to our national needs we have to get a r e control we have to gain control of our energy requirements. once again Mister Car Loan Certainly, we need to preserve and conserve the sources of energy for all present and future Generations. However, I believe much of the present so-called Energy prices as a result of deliberate manipulation by far. Trust. Also, we need to stress the use of renewable energy sources such as from Agricultural and Forest along with sun water and wind and I will work for an effective solution as far as people can't afford the Heat their homes and in Minnesota and throughout our country. This is a sad State of Affairs, of course, the Republicans and Democrats. I say quit giving these people's money away under the guise of foreign aid again, and you'll have enough money to heat their homes. Miss Boris to start a question for the mystery box with us this afternoon and also to record high bringing probably a very Tight money policy to the United States. How do you think that this action is going to solve inflation? And do you agree with it? Well, I think that President Carter's program for solving inflation of voluntary price controls is not going to work. I think that mandatory price controls. I've never worked voluntary won't either an interesting ly it's the working man who is going to the working person in this country who is going to be hurt the most by control always has been the case. It's much more. It's much easier to control wages of three dozen unions at set the pattern for the wages of the entire country than it is to control the prices of what size is 110000 items that are found in the Target store the Rays of the discount rate by a full percentage points at the largest since 1931. It's the highest rate that has ever existed in history. The fact that president called his plan is not working as shown by the falling stock market the declining value of the dollar we have to get at the root cause of inflation, which is too much government too much government spending a government that Going at 11% rate while I was kind of negroes and only 5% car loan. On the issue of inflation are federal government alone causes inflation and they do that by spending billions upon billions of dollars of unback currency in the circulation. And that's Rob's of people over their hard-earned cash in their pockets and it's especially burdensome on our elderly citizens who rely on fixed incomes and Social Security and so forth insurance premiums to live off of the only way that you're ever going to stop inflation has the back of her and see what some precious metal and keep a standard air. This is the only thing that will return our government to a course or physical sanity because fully backed currency cannot be inflated. Granderson Back in 1970 President Nixon recommended and imposed a compulsory rage in the price controls my opponent never spoke out against that a 1974 Jerry Ford recommended voluntary price Android controls remember the wind buttons and it wasn't the Pickle Factory. But if you're not going to have compulsory controls involuntary controls what he have left you don't have much at all. It seems to me we are at least give the president two or three months to see if the programme just announced works. I noticed today when he took the tough action that he did the stock market went up very very dramatically. One of the largest increases in in our history is very pleased that Mark Wills was not running for office, but it was president of the Minneapolis Federal Reserve and evening paper lauded President Carter fours anti-inflation plan. He's supporting it feels at the rest of the country should as well. Hey mister dornfeld ask a question start with the mystery box list. During the last year of their been the various federal and state Auditor's FBI agent grand jury us attorney's office and others trying to figure out what happened to $1000000 in federal money that went into to Duluth Economic Development projects from the upper Great Lakes Regional Commission. They've also been trying to figure out what happened to I think nearly a million dollars that went into the governor's office in the last 6 years from the upper Great Lakes commission people. Will the citizenry is been bombarded with all sorts of stories about this what the what conclusion should people draw from the upper Great Lakes investigation. Something was missing my opponents the office when he was the governor, it's good that the papers have not been released. They certainly released because of political pressure my opponent at one time as you know, a Steve that was against the release of those papers and then reversed himself. There's been a lot of sloppy accounting of sloppy accounting like that took place in business. They would be all kinds of problems at the chief fiscal officer of the of the governor's office said today in the Minneapolis Tribune that when Tom count told you to do something you didn't want I'm counting. Told you to do something you did it. It wasn't a matter of legalities and the auditor has said and reviewing these papers that there have been violations of the law. So it is a unsightly and unseemly Affair that it's good that the public should now have a chance to examine it will take a little time to examine and it's good that it's done is being done before the election. I never really paid much attention to that issue because I've been an investigator for 25 years and I run a general contracting company to to generate the funds. I use and in my investigation work. I investigate many governmental agencies. In fact, that's mainly what I specialize in as far as I'm missing money up there. I believe that it's a complete political shampoo Democrats and I'm sure Dad Wendell Anderson will be able to put his finger on every penny where that money went to want to write then come. Mr. Anderson I don't know if it's on my side or not. Meetup When I was governor of the state to propriate about 25 billion dollars and the auditor has said this about the governor's office. We believe that most of the financial accounting and control problems in the office of Governor disclosed in this report have occurred because of the numerous programs and activities that have been added in the last 5 years. He's a normally special-purpose programs in the size of the Governor's Office Accounting staff does not permit the type of monitoring that is necessary. It doesn't charge there was a deliberate and misuse or abuse of funds for anyone's personal gain back in 1973 a young grilling reporter from the trip. Made a charge that the we're not properly using federal funds in our office and Bill Friendsville and Congressman gross demanded that the be a Geo investigation there was and after about a 3-month investigation, they found $5.38 that they could not account for now. That's the governor's office. There is a separate fun the upper Great Lakes involving some 60 million dollars. Okay. Somebody has been indicted and charged with misappropriating $62,000. Would you ask a question starting with Mister Car Loan? Most working people that I've talked with have two concerns first will their retirement pension be adequate income when they retire and will they be able to afford reasonable Medical Care before and after retirement? What are your views on these two concerns the money to pay to Social Security payments, I believe that the social security program has the most insecure program. We do need this program, but I think it should be left out thunder private Enterprise and regulated by federal laws, but the people we would be able to buy a cheaper and I'm sure they had Realize more money and at least it have what they did put into it any program. It seems that the is the government does for us to solve a problem usually creates three or four more for us. And as far as the health dare program My Gauze that we've had much corruption in the Medicaid and so far. I believe all of that should be left out in a free enterprise system. We have two brands in this country to handle is and I like I said, the people would be able to buy a cheaper and get a better quality. Granderson I think one of the greatest domestic needs is the way we fund the medical situation in this country. There are some 40 million Americans who either have no health insurance at all or it's totally inadequate and what happens is if they have a catastrophic illness or serious illness the end up going through back bankruptcy and the taxpayer ends up paying for it indirectly. I support national health insurance because I feel makes much more sense much more sense to provide the kind of payment that it takes to meet catastrophic illness and all other forms of Health expense. It just seems to me that people who are on fixed incomes should not have to live in Daily fear that if the husband or the wife gets sick after going to have to go through bankruptcy and that's a situation in Minnesota today. There are very few families could face up to the problem of a serious medical problem my components. Could you perhaps I could because I'm covered by Congressional medical program if it's good enough for me, but I make it available to the rest of the people of this state and this country Integrity the financial Integrity of the Social Security program intact and I will work towards that end. I believe that everybody is entitled to good Medical Care in this country. I believe in the private delivery system of a medical care North on the private insurance system. I believe the employer should be required to have adequate certain minimum bases basics for medical insurance including of the extraordinary the the high medical insurance due to meet the extraordinary needs of a very severe illness, but I believe in the private delivery system of medicine. I also believe that part of the problem that we have is yes as my opponent said 25 billion dollars were spent in his six years as Governor part of the The problem we have in this country is a fact that in the preceding six years only five billion dollars were spent in the state. So that's a quick coupling again in a 6-year. Quick question. Please receive the endorsement of one of the Minneapolis newspapers that liked his smile in his hand handshake. Senator Anderson has been accused of being distrustful of the press and shy not without getting into personalities. What do you think? It is in your own philosophy and your own makeup that will make you a better Senator than the two people you're sitting here at 3/4 of a minute here. Who's the first director start with Miss Patterson? I think the people of Minnesota should make a judgment about what they want in the Senate based on their position on issues their background and who they think would be the most affected my my phone and says that the test to see if you can do on the business World got to put something like that in the United States Senate if that's the test that sounds like an endorsement for Bob short because of the five candidates for the Senate. He's clearly been the most successful from the financial standpoint. I don't think that should be the test seems to me the people in Minnesota to make up the judgment about a person's attitude toward public service position on issues and who can do the best job in the Senate and I would suggest that having service 10-12 years as a legislator six years has Governor two years in the Senate. It's pretty good training for continued service in the United States Senate. I was pleased to receive the endorsement of one of the Minneapolis newspapers and every other Daily Newspaper in the state that has endorsed has endorsed my candidacy. I think that my kind of background the idea of getting things done the idea of free enterprise the idea of having a business background is a very important thing in the US Senate and my friend Dave durenberger also has such a background. I might say of the 100 Senators 75 or 80 of them are people who have spent the vast vast majority of their adult life in the political system only two or three have started their own business and been successful at it. I think the idea of getting things done of not waiting of making ends meet once and once in awhile is a good system is something that should be represented in the UN Easter car loan. Well, ladies and gentlemen, I'm not a millionaire, but I've been a working man all my life. I'm a general contractor. I own Builders engineering and maintenance company and my father was a highway and heavy contractor before me. Was in the Army, like I said, and I have received a private detective license in the state of Minnesota for a 1953. I know I'm not the smartest man around but I make I make a lot of Investigations into this work and I'll just have to tell you in all sincerity Wendell Anderson had his chance in the United States Senate this man stood up there what the people in Minnesota. What are we liked it or not? He was going to vote to give our Canal away. He appoint himself to the Senate Rudy by shweta. Okay come up to the podium and you'll have 2 minutes. Ladies and gentlemen are senators make the decisions that affect the lies almost everyone in the world. This is very serious business and not a time to be born in this name for a pretty face or to be swayed by the boat dock of a school can man be a senator the point thousand people to job. I did only six but they must be true American Patriots. We show investigational abilities. I will teach them to rest and we will work tirelessly to security documented proof. I know I can say is necessary to expose the Crooked politicians who are nothing more than fronters or those who are manipulating our governmental agencies in two given our country away, and they are giving the country away under the guise of foreign aid, and so forth. We are witness much in Wonderland herson's double-crossing performances to vote for him now would be like to ask somebody to stick a knife in her back and I vote for Rudy boschwitz. I believe we may as well kiss our country. Goodbye. Drop my campaign. We have also witnessed the star-tribune dispatch Pioneer Press give my opponents numerous pages of exposure without hardly. I mention to my name now if they would like to do make good for this year and just give me a couple of pages and how I stand on the issues. I can tell you a lot of information about my opponents here books. I'm not a Polish politician. I just an American citizen, but I did serve in the trenches in North Korea and I served my country and I'll keep on serving it. Thank you. Ladies and gentlemen. Mr. Anderson This campaign comes down to two basic questions on balance is better qualified to serve the people of Minnesota in the United States Senate my background by experience by proven commitment to service and who better represent and balance the broad spectrum of interest and philosophies and needs of the people of this state the answers to these questions are important Senators collectively protect or a row the economic and military strength of this country. They can make the difference between peas or catastrophe for the entire world by the decisions. They make public service is a serious business. It's not a plaything. It's not a new game to be played when you're tired of the old one. I've been in public service for 20 years as a state legislator governor and United States Senator. I know the United States Senate is not a place to go and be somebody it's a place to go and do something for people in for a country if given the opportunity. I will do my best to continue what I've always tried to do to be fair to build a common-sense government that gives people their is month their money's worth and treats them decently. My first commitment will be to those who have special needs after those who quietly go about the business of raising their families and earning a living to those who want to live their lives with dignity Minnesota and its people are the Envy of America. I want to keep it that way mr. Bashment. I'd like to end the debate tonight on a note of idealism because that's what drew me into politics in the first place and In the Heat of campaigning idealism always very often takes second place. My ideals are the ideals of Lincoln man who founded the party that I represent and Lincoln at a time that our country was torn apart between North and South black and white talked about the age of truth about the quality of all people about the equality of their rights the equality of opportunity indeed the equality of their responsibilities, and he also spoke about the benevolent government a government that will help people help themselves and a government that will help people who cannot help themselves and then he spoke about free enterprise and I speak about free enterprise because political freedoms have never existed unless they have also been economic freedoms at the same time. Price doesn't mean a collection of large corporations. It doesn't mean that that you put a Chevrolet engine into an Oldsmobile car doesn't mean that on Monday us steel raised his price and on Tuesday, everybody else raises price. It means instead of opportunity and initiative and incentive and access into the economic system. It means the freedom of the individual the most of all, I believe in the creativity of the individual and the freedom of the individual and I'm optimistic and enthusiastic cuz I said optimistic and enthusiastic about our future because I believe in the American people do I ask for your trust and I don't ask for it lightly, but I do seek the opportunity to earn that trust as your United States Senator. Thank you. I'll be half of the League of Women Voters and common cause I'd like to thank a candidates for being here with us tonight. And I'd like to thank the panel it's been an interesting evening. This is the last in a series of three debates sponsored by the League of Women Voters of Minnesota with the cooperation of common cause in Minnesota. I hope that what you heard here tonight has given you a better understanding of the issues in this campaign and that debate 78 will help you cast a more informed vote when you go to the polls on November 7th. Thank you all for being here and goodnight. And with that Helene Borg has concluded this debate between the major-party candidates for the six-year senate seat for independent Republican Rudy boschwitz dfl that Wendell Anderson and sell car loan of the American party. The debate was sponsored by the League of Women Voters with the cooperation of common cause tonight's panel of questioners included and Darby deputy director of community outreach programs for the Minneapolis. Urban League Karen Boris a reporter for WCCO television and Steve dornfeld staff writer for the Minneapolis Tribune. The moderator was Helen Borg president of The candidates really did not go into any issues if they had not explored previously in the campaign, but briefly will summarize their positions on a couple of major issues on inflation boschwitz called for cutting taxes and slowing the growth rate of government from 11% to 5% Wendell Anderson said that they can profit bill which is part of supports is grossly inflationary and Stratton said he supports President Carter's plan for voluntary wage and price restraints on the subject of foreign policy. Senator Anderson said that the United States should self you were weapons to developing nations and should instead export more material that would be of technological value to them. So they more markets for us Goods. Bosch Switzer said that the food for peace program should be expanded and the Peace Corps program should be expanded on the subject of arms. Senator Anderson says that they major issue facing the Congress in the coming session is the SALT Treaty and he says it's important that the United States and Soviet Union be able to reduce their nuclear arms development. He said that he opposes the B-1 bomber system and the neutron bomb Rudy boschwitz said there should be no unilateral disarmament and therefore he opposed the cancellation of the B1 program said that some of the other arms programs that are on the drawing boards should continue Bosch. What's also said that he thinks the salt agreement is a very critical one. on the subject of energy Bosch which supports the deregulation of natural gas as happened in the in the recent Congress Anderson did not favor the deregulation natural gas. They both favorite measures that would help the poor and the needy and disadvantaged meets the higher cost of energy bills, which they both conclude will in fact be the case in the coming years. Will this broadcast concludes the series of three debates between the major party candidates for the highest offices on next Tuesday's ballot funds for this program were provided by the Saint Paul fire and Marine insurance company. The technical director tonight was Linda Marie with assistance from Paul Kelly. This is Bob Potter speaking and you're tuned to Minnesota Public Radio by listener-supported service.