Governor Arne Carlson got a standing ovation earlier this week after a rousing speech to a meeting of superintendence and other school administrators. The Gathering was sponsored by the Minnesota Department of Education the governor use the opportunity to speak about the future of education and outlined a 10-point strategy for improving Minnesota schools. We thought you'd like to hear the speech. So today on midday will play the governor's remarks in their entirety here is Governor Arne Carlson speaking Wednesday at the Radisson South Hotel in Bloomington on behalf of the state and on behalf of the department.Thank all of you not only for your attendance and for your participation but a far far greater importance is really all of your help. And I mean that most sincerely and I didn't approach 1996 in the out years and no question of my mind. The agenda is going to be a very very difficult agenda. And for all those who are committed to the status quo and do honestly and sincerely believe that what America needs is more of the status quo just funded at a higher level. I'm sorry to say you're going to be bitterly disappointed in this Administration. Because we are going to change. And I've talked to you before about the transition that has hit America took the world. I open my day today with a speech. Involving the Metropolitan airports commission or the whole variety of employers employers not only from Minnesota, but from all over the world. Are in part beginning to understand the enormous economic impact of our Airline. Are traffic and the impact of a hub? It's a matter of fact, we will have growth. From now to October where we will go from 61,000 international flights. A week over 160,000 international flights a week. That will be the largest growth in aviation history. And then Gowanus impact that this is going to have on Minnesota's economy cannot even at this time the estimated but roughly the existing traffic alone brings any conomic activity that exceed over five and a half billion dollars. And the reason I bring this up is because of the enormity of the changes. And those changes are largely based upon changes in expectations changes in needs changes and goals and objective and we have to respond to it. I think most of us agree. That if we're going to be successful economically, we're going to have to change how we educate our children how we excite our children about their academic possibilities and how we strategically place ourselves in the world market. That over 70% of the jobs that we create will no longer require a baccalaureate degree. Now that's going to have a stunning impact on higher education. We also know that it is going to require a graduate that is highly skilled in the area of Technology. signs math that basic area and we also know from the results that we saw this week and we saw early last spring that there's good news and those Ruiz test results for everybody to applaud and is also am bad news. That should concern even the most optimistic. We have been told in today's report. Minnesota kids do very well on the ACT. Not a surprise. We have been bouncing between 1st and 3rd in America. So it's no surprise that once again we find ourselves in the top two. I'm not particularly pleased to be behind, Wisconsin, but I'm going to assume that is a mathematical error. But the more serious and more ominous cloud is the one that I think we all anticipated and we all fear. And that was with the imposition of a higher standard of graduation something we both want something that we realized. This stayed has to have if it's going to succeed. That we were going to find out. How well all of our children do not just those were oriented in a Collegiate Direction. And those results were less than flattered. almost one-third of our students are not sufficiently confident in the area RI. almost 1/2 I've all of those in the 8th grade are not sufficiently competent in the area of mathematics. After all of our Lives, we have seen governmental systems in the context of separation and compartmentalization. We've had a hard time understanding that there's a relationship between the two but let me tell you this. Every single time we fail a child, we pay enormous social cost. Over 60% of the people that we have in Stillwater prison today are deficient in Reading. And we're now turning out products where 1/3 are deficient in Reading. I have a sneaking suspicion that there's going to be a correlation. And for every $30,000 that we take out of the state budget budget to put somebody in Stillwater prison, that means there's $30,000 less. for those opportunities on prevention education environment, whatever the expenditure Maybe and we also know. And as we look down our financial future. Where the first state in America to do it where the first state to put Advance long-term financial planning online. But we know that because of the demographics the rise in the elderly the rise and the young and they're both groups that make tremendous demands upon government resources. Reply 1997 will be crossing the line towards a billion dollar deficit. And we also know that we cannot continue to grow jobs and grow quality jobs if we raise taxes so that option is out. That means that we are going to spend smarter. That means that we're going to focus on issues of productivity and we're going to move governmental systems to a focus on outcomes rather than endless arrays of inputs. But we also know something else and it's something that we have deliberately choosing to ignore. and that is Who is it that ultimately employs and utilizes our products? By and large, it's the employer. Most people who create jobs. And look at what they have been telling us. My memory is correct. The National Alliance of business ran a poll on both midsize small and large businesses All Over America and my recollection is that roughly 4% came back and said that they're satisfied with the educational. experiences in capacities of their incoming recruits 4% satisfaction 96% Do not express a great degree of pleasure. with the results And yet when you go back to the provider and you ask the provider, how are we doing the provider says we're doing just fine And more often than not this country has defined our problems in the context of what the provider sees. Now, let me give you some historical examples. Remember the 1950s. Some of us were on college campuses in those little Beatles came on the campus. We all chuckled and left. Then we started to read some stories that maybe the Germans were serious about colliding head-on with the big three and auto production and we left. And then by the sixties and early seventies, the Japanese car is starting to creep into the market and people started to use the word quality and price and fuel efficiency. And some expressed environmental concerns about the American car, but the American industry didn't change they said oh no survey. The 8000 gas guzzler is for you. And if there's a problem, it's a problem with the consumer. Not with us. And then by the eighties, they were running to government and say oh my Heavens to Betsy. There's too many Beatles on the road too many of those Japanese cars around we've got to have help. Raise the terrorists put on all sorts of restrictions on importation. We don't want to compete. Unfortunately, the American government said no dice you will compete and look what's happened. We've suddenly become competitive we focused on the word quality. Business started to print the baldrige award to Minnesota companies have walked off with it. Every single company that I know of. Is focusing on how do you improve productivity and how do you improve results? And how do we become more customer-driven and customer-friendly? And now at the tail end of this revolution comes government and the public is starting to ask us the exact same questions. Why aren't you more consumer-friendly? I remember a talk by Connie Levi who I asked to chair a commission on higher education and she said if you want to know if an institution is customer-friendly just visit the University of Minnesota and find who has the best parking places. Now supposed Target stores treated its customers the same way. And have the best parking places for management the second best for employees. And by the way 2 miles down the road is the customer's place to park. You and I as part of our K through 12 system. We say we love children. We say we do things because we love children. Do we love them so much. That we can't explain why a little child is on a street corner at 20 below zero at 6 in the morning. Do we love them so much that it 1:45 in the afternoon. We can lock a school door and say goodbye to the kids knowing full. Well that too is the highest hour for teenage pregnancy in delinquency. Do we love them so much that when they get into trouble we can flush them out of our system and say it's a correction problem now. We have seen studies that tell us the teenagers don't perform well in the early morning hours yet. We managed to structure everything for the early morning hours. So I throw what I would do today. Is the tell you what our vision is. asking for your help and for your partnership and it because you Are the leaders of Education in your community? Not education only for those people who are destined to go to college but also for those kids who are dropping out of our system those kids who are failing in our system and those kids will be the social Burns of The Next Century. for all of those children And frankly we need your help. One is you well know. We created the department of children, but it's focused on children families and learning. It's not the Department of Education. It's not the department of K through 12. Because the philosophy behind back department is cradle to Career. It's all in Belle epine. It's a seamless system. It's the first in America. Now what we want is the tail end of that department, which has received almost no notice. Is that there will be an advisory body at the end. consisting exclusively of those people who create jobs small medium and large and they're going to lay out for us what their expectations are not the how to but the results what kind of a product do they want? And when we hand out a high school diploma or a baccalaureate degree that is going to be taken as a warranty of Excellence. If we can warn cars if we can Warren toasters we can certainly want the products of American Education. And that will be a certificate when we handed to a child. It says you have successfully completed all of the expectations that are involved in the graduation standards. And we will warrant that product to this group of employers. And their needs will undoubtedly change in as their needs change. So too, will you and I because if we don't have a successful economy if we don't create successful employment opportunities for our children. and all other considerations remove so I thought what I would do is share with you if you were the ideas that were kicking around. I'd like to have your help. And your consideration of these proposals? The first is the prevention agenda. We talked about it at Great length. And we've defined it in park. But it involves more than what we've done so far. I see the day when a school is a community center. It's open in the morning. It's open in the afternoon and it's open in the evening. And it's available and expects and accessible to all members of that community. And whatever barriers are in the way be they contracts with janitors or whatever those barriers should be removed. I want us to create programs not new programs, but you lies existing Community Resources, particularly and disadvantaged areas. To make sure that our children stay in school after the academic lessons have been taught. Beard for athletics or extracurricular activities or community activities or whatever? But I believe it's the society we should say that it is not acceptable to have small children or young children at home unsupervised at 2 in the afternoon. We can and we will do better. I have the pleasure several weeks ago as you know, I have a great passion for basketball, but this goes well beyond basketball. I'm going down to the Salvation Army in Saint Paul and watching the entire Community come down because they knew the Clem Haskins was going to be there. They knew the new recruits were going to be there. And I talked to some of the people from The Salvation Army. And they're weak on money. Inspiron on desire And they provide incredible services with relatively small budgets to the community. Not just of the kids who show up to play basketball. What do the elderly to the young children? two girls two boys two young women do young men We must bring the educational system in line with those Community sources and utilize them and build Lincoln and believe me we are. I have a Stephen Zachary. He was in the back of the room. To work particularly close in our inner cities to make sure that we can come to the legislature 1996 with a solid proposal. But we now invest and we will continue to invest in programs of nutrition programs of Head Start all programs of preschool learning. But we also want to make sure that we engage children in meaningful activities after hours. Ask yourself one simple question. Would you walk down certain streets at night in certain parts of our cities and if you our answer is no. If your answer is no. Did I think you have to become part of this effort to change? We have to believe that much in our children and our own future. I want every child and every parent with a child in school. And all schools to sign off on a written contract. One of the worst things my generation ever did was tell children that education is free. And then we can give you an education. Oh God. I wish we could it would solve our problem instantly. Upon birth, we can give every kid a high school diploma at all of our problems would go away. But we can't do it one education is expensive it cost over $6,000 on the average to put one kid in one classroom. And we have a right. To expect those kids to show up to school ready to learn. Not working all night. Flipping hamburgers and using school as a place to sleep. Ready to learn committed to doing their homework. And pledging that when they need help they will seek that help. Teachers are perfectly willing and committed to provide that kind of assistance. And as parents, we will make sure that our children do do their homework and we will create an environment that is conducive for them to succeed academically and we will make sure that their nutrition sleep habits Etc. around a healthy course And we as a state and we as a community will pledge our efforts. Not only financially but also efforts to provide confidence instructions confident and caring help to make sure that we help each child succeed. The most fundamental piece of education is not the numbers of classrooms or chairs or desks. It's really how many little mind and we tickle and excite. That's what it's about. When I went to college it was Define not in the context of buildings, but in the context of Mark Hopkins sitting on a log next to a Williams college student. That's what it is. The imparting of information wisdom good judgment expectations Etc. What a contract does is let the student know in uncertain terms as well as the parent as well as the teacher as well as the administrator that we are serious about success. I want us to explore and we have already started. The idea of Furnishing computers to our children particularly those from low-income families. In my day, there was no computer. Today, it's almost impossible to succeed without a clear understanding of how you can utilize that computer but a couple has a child encouraging them to set aside money for the education of that child. Where's the state will pledge that we will not text that Revenue set it aside like an IRA. the institutions of Higher Learning will pledge to freeze a certain tuition rate. And then the investment will beat that expected rate. But I do want parents. Do you think about the educational responsibilities of their children at the outset and not come back when the kid is 17 or 18? Oh my Heavens to Betsy. How do I do it? The truth is that's the one thing in life that we ought to be able to plan for. And again, it's a partnership of partnership involving the parents the family the child. the Schools and Government and we're toying with the idea of increasing reimbursement and possibly matching funds. For those students that Excel and those students from low-income families, but the point ear is to start to create those kinds of incense. That will cause people to begin to invest in education prepare for education and take the mission of Education very very seriously. We in Minnesota have committed ourselves to more choice. We can meet with Billy in this room today if we didn't have competition. Not one of us. And what we have to begin to realize is that we cannot allow anyone segment of our population to sit back and say competitions great for everybody else, but not for me. That's what the big three auto company said. Oh, we're too big. We ought not to have to compete in a free market. Boy, did they show it that they change their tune. once competition showed up we teach our children competition. But isn't it amazing? All of a sudden is such a terrible evil? If we allow money to flow to the family to make an educational decision. I was just in Maine. I found out that mean is that about your system as long as anybody can remember? Some here in this room or undoubtedly educated under a thing called the GI bill it revolutionized higher education. That was a voucher system. And we thrived on it and we benefited from it and it opened up new avenues of opportunity for everybody. The truth is we all one competition is a winning formula. I also want to make sure. And we give to our administrators to our teacher the kinds of tool. That are necessary to make sure that the public system succeeds. I have talked to you about it before and I'm going to challenge the 1996 legislative session. Once and for all deal with the issues of one binding arbitration, absolutely if there is such agreement. There's no reason in the world why once and for all in the field of public education, we can't put the issue of performance pay on the table. What kind of a system is it that says regardless of your about them's regardless of how good you are you all going to be paid equally? I can't think of any company that would operate that way. I can't think of any incentive program that could be designed with that in mind. And yet has been pounded through us. And we all have to be treated equally. The reality is we can evaluate any I remember so well my Deputy we were going through a bloody to War battle on Minnesota state pension plans. We are discovered. And we were taking billions of dollars as a state and our overall rate of return was 4.9% We could have taken that money and thrown out a bank floor and gotten at least five. But it took us two years to get all the brilliant people that manage those billions of dollars out of the way so that we could finally win. And I remember one of those old codgers came into my office and he said okay, you can evaluate money performances. Am I definitely with an MBA leaned and very quietly almost went nose-to-nose with him and he said Sir with all due respect. There isn't anything under the sun that we can't evaluate and believe me the easiest of all his money performance. We can evaluate teachers. Just as teachers can evaluate students? And we can pay based on performance and we ought to pay based on performance. We're going to ask the legislature to consider modifications to the issue of tenure. How embarrassing it must be to realize. that an individual Can win an award as the best teacher in Minnesota win the award be number one teacher? And because of tenure and seniority not be allowed to work. We're crushing opportunity. We can't do that. I want us to use more and more of a block grant approach in the funding of local education. I've asked you before and I will ask you again. You tell us what mandates you want to off and if they make sense will take them off. But I want to make it abundantly clear. There are new Department. Is committed to focus exclusively on results. We're not in the business of telling you or your teachers or your faculties how to but we do have a vested interest in outcomes. now in this mission We're going to run across a lot of headwinds snow question about. But you know, and I know that the history of this day in the history of this nation. Is really a history where we decided as a society that we want to accomplish something. I think it was a 1962 the president of the United States. proclean to American to the world as a result of Sputnik But America was going to send a man to the Moon. And I'm sure there's a lot of people who protected the stainless pole in those days and they say no dice and possible can't be done and I have a sneaking suspicion. There was a reporter or two. Probably Kennedy. How are you going to do it? How much is it going to cost? What kind of fuel you can have? Where do you intend to launch it from? But he had a vision. He knew full well that we have the technological capacity to produce a rocket ship that could land effectively a man on the moon. He knew that. Do we as a nation want to accomplish this mission? And the nation said yes. And when Neil Armstrong landed, I don't think there was one dry eye in this country. Because of infinitely greater importance than the simple Landing of one man on the moon was the fact that the United States had succeeded. And how can the same Nation? They can accomplish that remarkable feat stand back and say you know what, we really can educate a kid out of the slums. The fact is we can and we will let me close if I met on a personal note. I was one of those kids who was dumped on the ash heaps of slums. And I was told by people that you're going nowhere. And I'll be darned if I'm going to allow one generation of our young kids to be thrown out because of our own indifference. We say we love our children. What if we love our children our schools are going to be open. Our teachers are going to tickle young minds and excited kids and we're going to open up options and opportunities because this system does not exist for the providers it exists for the children. We say that there are future, but right now we have condemned them to a future where they'll have to pick up a 5 trillion dollar debt because we don't want to pay her own way. at a minimum Our Generation old is the bachelor Asian the opportunity to develop the tools that are necessary so they can cope with that problem. I will go up and down the state on this mission. Cuz I don't think there's one parent in one community. That doesn't know that we can succeed. And so that is succeeding years a governor can stand up here and say I'm proud to report that we have the highest graduation standards in America. You know what? Every single one of our kids made it. at that point we can proclaim a great Victory just as great as when Neil Armstrong landed on the moon. That my friends is our challenge. That's our mission. And we will be successful. Thank you Governor Arne Carlson speaking earlier this week to a meeting of school superintendents and administrators in Bloomington. We're doing now by dfl state. Senator, Larry poggemoeller who chairs the Senate education committee and by dfl state representative Alice Johnson who chairs the house education committee. Thanks to both of you for a joining us this afternoon. But let me ask you first of all sort of a philosophical question. The governor says that the state government is too concerned about the providers of Education. That is the teachers unions. I assume he means and not concerned enough about that actually delivering education to the customers the students in this case and Alice Johnson. Let's start with you. Do you do what do you think of that statement by the governor government have shown a great concern for children in and we followed through and I are words. We didn't just speak those words. We follow through and committed committed. increasing spending for Education because we felt it was the best investment that I stayed could make Well, I guess I agree I agree was represented Johnson on that. I think what we should focus on is sometimes phraseology is not what I would prefer challenge very very well. And I think that's what we should focus on the positive aspects of our challenge for preparing preparing are used for both social and economic future and that's what I like to prefer to focus on the phraseology may not be the most productive. Okay. Well, let's talk about some of the specifics that the governor did they recommend. He hasn't given a whole lot of details in fact any detail at all about his plan for vouchers. What do you think about vouchers? Are they a good idea bad idea or is it just too soon to tell? Larry Puckett Miller Alice Johnson, what do you think of this idea of vouchers? Talk about in the one thing that is essential before I make any kind of decision on it to find out the cost and the benefits and it's going to cost money. I know that and I'm wondering who it will benefit. It will not be beneficial for a lot of kids and even rid of out your plan as I've heard it out. My pants don't have a choice. They won't be able to send their kids to play Corb record some of the other very very fine private schools in our area because of unless you're going to have a $10,000 voucher and then you're really talking money. It's so the one thing I will say I was very pleased and listening and I just came in and heard the last few minutes of the governor's speech. We have the highest standards. He said we want to have the highest standards and then he added and all of our kids have made it and I think that's very important because settings standard alone does not improve education. But if it's making sure that all are all of our children meet those standards and even surpass those standards, that's when we have been successful. That's what I believe. We in the Minnesota House and Senate I think want not just to set standards. We want our children to be well prepared for the 21st Century Center also said that teacher tenure is crushing opportunity for teachers in the schools. He talked about the paying teachers on the basis of performance rather than just the add a graduated level based on experience or whatever. I what about those ideas Larry polka Miller. We should definitely bass all of our expenditures on results weather performance pay or how you design that makes sense or not. We have to see what that discussion but I think his focus on on we pay for results. We pay for outcomes. We pay for heist High outcomes. I think he's exactly correct and how one designs that is what gets a little tricky and I think we're eager to discuss that with him and his focus on the consumer is right on and all we need now is more details from him and I'm sure with working with the represent Johnson and her committee we can take his basic principles and move forward, but the details are difficult and we need the governor to tell us How we designed these things and then we'll we'll proceed but I think we need to restructure our contracts and we need to look at 10 or I'm not sure it's as useful as it used to be so and I add that there is not as much agreement on those specifics. Okay. Well, let me a run one more idea of the governor had to buy you and see what you think and then I can let you go. He talked about making schools his long-term vision of schools and as community centers, they would be open all day and into the evening. And anybody who wants to drop by can can do it Alice Johnson. Is that how you see schools in the future? I have an article that I've been shared with many people that talks about school homes rather than School houses and I don't mean to say that we would ever want to think school should take the place of the home because I'm a strong believer in the value of the home, but with me with the schedules at our parents have the stresses that are they have in their lives. I think it's incumbent upon us to consider in some ways to help to raise those very valuable resources that we call our children. Represent Johnson's been being very shy he or she is sick and I think she working with the governor. We're going to move a long way and I was thrilled to hear that he wants to keep focusing their how much of this do you think will be accomplished next year 1996. We heard that the speech that he is a master order, but you know, we're waiting for money because it it looks to me that I'm trying to keep us cool open how many many more hours with good staff around that will be helpful. So on again, I hope that he's able to put his money where his mouth is and that is not me. I'm not trying to be insulting to the governor that I say with respect that we need the money if we're going to be doing it. I think it's a good invite investment will pay off in the long run and that's very painful and difficult. So it's going to take a combination of reallocation and some additional resources. He says you can just spend smarter and and do it all with the same amount of money. Why does a gray I think it's going to take the combination of reallocation and spending smarter and some additional revenue and I I believe that represent Johnson track on that to come with us to be found in anyone's budget. But basically when you're looking at the serious problems that we are continuing with in terms of our children. More more more of our children living in poverty. It only makes common sense to me at least that it may take some additional resources to bring the children that increasing number of children up to the high level that we want them to be at. Well, we'll look forward to continuing this debate during the next legislative session. Thanks a lot for being with us appreciate it that's dfl state representative Alice Johnson who chairs the house education committee and dfl state. Senator Larry poggemoeller who chairs the Senate education committee and we do have a few minutes left in the program and a lot of people have gotten on the line to talk about this subject. So let's check in with Howard from Rochester Howard. Welcome to midday. Hi, what do you have to say about this topic? Carlson? Speech I've had. quite an experience for the last 6 months trying to investigate violence is causes and and I've I found that the teachers of administrations are unwilling to cooperate with my efforts towards finding out what was causing his violence and a few things have happened within my own family with my own children and I I'm at a loss to understand. Why where I was at a loss to understand why they weren't cooperating and I believe this voucher system that the governor was talking about his so important to give us competition in the the education Arena. this would force the Educators and teachers to Really do their job as their parents want them too? And I think that involvement parental involvement is is so necessary in So if any lasting changes are going to be made in the public school system. It has to start with. an invitation to the parents and create out a bond in a dialogue between the parents and Educators and administrators and the students. Okay. Well, thanks for the comment. We appreciate it. Let's now go to Rochester and hear from Howard Howard The Binding arbitration 10-year removing the mandates in the voucher system. I agree all of those things I think are necessary for the tree off revamping and revitalizing public education. It's interesting though that during the primary election Allen Quist versus governor on a Carlson all of those positions were taken by Allen Quist. And Arnie said how horrible how are fundamentalist how degenerate people like the Allen Quist of the world who he also called Nazis could possibly be trying to force their views down our throats. Well now he's picked up all of those positions. All of those positions were enunciated by Alan cliff and it's just interesting that now that after the election Just doing this and I think I support the positions I support all of those positions and think it's necessary. But I think it's hypocritical now to do that and think I've come up with this wonderful idea on how we can revamp public education because they conservative true conservative Republicans have been saying things like this for years and now here he is in his fifth year in office. He decides we have a problem everytime Arne Carlson judge has a problem in the state of Minnesota Government. He ends up convicting himself because a lot of the sources of the trouble is Arne Carlson outcome-based education Obe the Planned Parenthood agenda in our public education is use of the homosexual agenda that you're not alone the publication of that document in our schools lot of these things can be traced to Arne Carlson confidence. Well, we we let the governor have the first half of the program. So I guess you'll serve as a as a balance something tells me he didn't get your vote in that primary last year. Let's check in with Shannon from Minneapolis Shannon your on midday. I know that she was talking about the student but it also seemed that he was referring to I got the impression was talking about future employers to and talking about and I'm praying that the product is a student as well as product out to employers and she also mentioned that maybe a board should be set up by these employers to sort of Health decide what their standards are in the never going to be as many jobs for I get no concert violinist is there were for telemarketers and I guess what I enjoyed most about my open education is that that its possibilities are there for everybody and I I guess if it was used to work corporate dictated Well, thanks. Thanks for the comment. We appreciate it. Let's just keep moving on because we have a lot of people who have called up Susan from Eden Prairie. Thank you for a broadcasting. The governor's remarks. I guess my comments would be as a parent of two elementary-aged school children here in Eden Prairie at end of feel like the governor is manufacturing a crisis because on the one hand in the last 7 Days of the Minneapolis Star Tribune reported that the ACT scores were one of the top five states in the country for student performance when he repeatedly about how many students are states and found a college so high school graduation rate is excellent here as I talk to friends all over the United States. They made remarks to me about how they look at the education model in Minnesota when they look at where things can go in their own state to get better. So Are schools are open from 7 in the morning until 10 at night and I'm wondering my advice would be I think the governor of each needs to visit some school districts because he doesn't seem to reflect what's really going on out there. And the last thing I would like to say is I am strongly opposed to voucher systems because as a proponent of a public schools, I don't think people who are talking about vouchers really are looking into the future. I think what vouchers will ultimately do is not create a spirit of competition among private vs Public Schools. I think what it will do with eventually a road the quality of public schools in Minnesota and I wish every parent would look very closely at the issue because vouchers are not the solution to our problems Susan. Thanks a lot. I will just point out that that one thing the governor did refer to in his speech was this test of high school sophomores and juniors the results were released last week and they showed 3 out of 10. One of the students who took the test failed and actually you were calling from Eden Prairie at one thing the results did show was that the larger Suburban students in the larger Suburban schools did much better than students from the inner city schools in st. Paul Minneapolis and Duluth. So that may have been one of the things that governor was talking about to let's talk to Patricia from St.Paul. Hi there. How are you? I would like to support what does previous color said in regard to the vultures in cuz I think that the deserts dismiss that don't use it going to enable middle-income people to send their kids to private schools instead of the public schools. Well, Demi Talega, even if they got a small portion of the tuition list. I don't know that that would help enough. I mean when can people don't send their kids to a private school. Just can't afford it on my phone go to an inner-city School in basically the what I say in high school is that you've got to question the IB programs for the kids that are really academically motivated that have a big leg up on some of the other kids and anorexic is it just kind of shuttled up into the lug nut classes where there's total chaos and I and I do believe that if you can give us some voucher to someone with family tonight, I'll be good for them. And but it'll basically just help the people that already sending their kids to private school tickets vouchers to help support their tuition cost there. I think we need to be able to address the needs of people that vulture or not, but you're still going to have to send the kids to public schools and they need to be able to have an improvement there where there's been the needs of the children that maybe or not Shirley college-bound are being met. Where are the programs to help prepare these kids for these technical that can be skilled jobs in Germany that I have a track for kids with a can with a sponsorship of employers to learn some technical skill saw when I get out of high school. They have something that's marketable. My son's going to be a junior and I'm thinking that I might want enrollment technical school the next 2 years cuz I want him to know how to do something when he gets out of high school, but I appreciate the call. I think we can squeeze in one more. Let's go to Warren from Saint Cloud Warren. You have to make it a little quick cuz we're almost out of time in issues and I'll just pick one example, you talked about teacher tenure the governor apparently is not aware of its first teachers in the public schools 10 year was done away with a number of years ago and we substituted What the legislature did a simple law that relates to the constitution is called due process and how it works is that if a teacher is not confident he or she is, you know his held up scrutiny by their administrators and sometimes even by other teachers or an I have to cut you off. I'm sorry we're out of time, but we certainly will continue this discussion another day.