Irish poet Micheal O'Siadhail reads and discusses source material of poetry

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MPR’s John Rabe interviews Irish poet Micheal O'Siadhail about writing poetry and personal expression. Segment also includes O'Siadhail reading numerous poems.

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(00:00:00) I think I have a temperament that demanded that I should give artistic expression to it have a very intense temperament and as words were part of my culture was a word dominated culture. I think I very fast fell into the whole tradition of writing which is very much part of our Island. So at a very early stage, I began to try poems and to take part in this great tradition, which I feel I belong to of poetry. In fact, let me read a poem which is called tradition which gives that sense of being in the Middle where now I have a generation of great people in front. Love me like Brendan Kelly Seamus Heaney, John Montague Richard Murphy and here I am coming after them the middle voice. So to speak between two generations tradition. A feeling of passivity of handing over all that was received. I again deliver by just being here. Available no more a watch of dependence complete exposure not even trying not to try to achieve. This work is awaiting almost as if a host his Pam's held up in supplication between two guests begins an introduction for years. I've wanted you two to meet The middle voice fading as they greet in the sweet nothingness of a go-between.

(00:01:23) Do you worry about being up to it?

(00:01:25) No, because if I worried I wouldn't do it well, so I'm just happy to be in that tradition to do what I have to do as a poet to carry that tradition on in my own particular personal way and the tradition then would takes care of itself. But you are passing a baton despite yourself, just so to speak

(00:01:41) what's Birds you to write what events are thoughts?

(00:01:44) Well, I think it's a question of life. In other words. I think the Jazz factor in life. That's why I speak of hail Madam Jazz because I see Life is a great adaption of spontaneity a surprise suffering Joy all those things which Jazz summon up for me as an image. And it there's no there's no telling what it's going to be that's going to actually do it, but it's often it's often. Just something that has happened. For instance. I wrote an elegy for my father-in-law who was from Danny goal, which is a poverty Northwest counties of Ireland and he was a migrant worker not we often think of emigration with this was Migration used to work in Scotland over the winter and come back to his smallholding. So I wrote an elegy for him and I also mention in this poem apartment on a gold place-names meath, which is the rich, Heartland of Ireland.

(00:02:28) loss

(00:02:31) the last summer he walked slower chose to linger pausing in a laneway. He ran a thumb along the seam of an old Garden Wall those joints need pointing. He warned attentive. We saw his face some strange play of inward movement on request. We drove to me with those fields are dozen times the size of his own pleasured his eye at Christmas leaning on the windows. Little lovingly. He gazed over a few low me Acres towards Gola. In mid-January cutting back Breyers. He fell with his scythe. Several years later. I wakened deep into the night here you sobbing to yourself? It's Patrick's Eve that evening your father used to return after his winter Exile a labor and Scotland three eager children. Watch the dark be undone Louis now at last the buses headlamps Arc the sky Overjoyed you race the lights to meet him at bun beg.

(00:03:40) Tonight

(00:03:41) here by your side. I listen. Then kissing your forehead throw my arms around your

(00:03:48) sorrow. Am I surprised by the interest so many people taken poetry and the face of it you might think it's too intellectual pursuit or something that people might labels intellectual. If you faced a group of people you'd find that a great percentage of them actually write poetry even though they may not be published. Does that does that surprise?

(00:04:13) You know, I think there's a great long a great hunger and the human heart for poetry and it's very much a thing of our times you think of all the imagery that arise around us an advert to sing on the radio television or we're being punked with imagery. Whole time but it's all trying to manipulate us. Whereas poet gives you the sound bite the short sound bite often with the image which invites you rather than manipulates you and I think there's a great longing of the human heart. If it doesn't get it in portrait gets it in pop lyrics it looks for always. It needs that expression. It's part of our Human Condition.

(00:04:41) If so many people do it and it seems to me so old-fashioned and traditional that so people don't when they when they get all these images and all this coming at them. They don't go and make a big billboard or a TV show they they sit down with a pen and a piece of

(00:04:56) paper because it's the great personal the personal expression which which which poetry is and I think old people are moved to it. They often lose it after their teens and the few people I think carry out a life at it, but they're the people who do it for the others who don't have time to do it so to speak and I mean, I think the Great Moments of our life for instance when for instance falling in love, that's the great one that stars everybody to poetry so maybe on that note. I should I should write it read you a love poem are called out of the blue which hints at the whole Serendipity and chance involved. in a love relationship out of the blue Nothing can explain this adventure. Let's say a quirk of Fortunes steered us together. We made our covenants began this Odyssey of ours by hunch and guesswork a blind date. We're foolish love consented in advance. No, my beloved. Neither knew what lay behind the Frontiers. You told me once you hesitated a needle can waver than fix on its pole. I'm still after many years baffled at the needles gift dipped in my favor. Should I dare to be so lucky? Is this a dream suddenly in the common place? That first amazement seizes me all over again. A freaky twist to the theme subtle Jazz of the new familiar

(00:06:27) trip of

(00:06:28) surprises. gratuitous beyond our fathom both binding and freeing this love re invades us shifts the boundaries of our

(00:06:41) being Thank you very much for coming in.

(00:06:46) It's a great pleasure to be here. Thank you for asking me here.

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MICHAEL O'SIADHAIL: I think I have a temperament that demanded that I should give artistic expression to it. I have a very intense temperament. And as words were part of my culture, it was a word-dominated culture, I think I very fast fell into the whole tradition of writing, which is very much part of our island.

So at a very early stage, I began to try poems and to take part in this great tradition, which I feel I belong to, of poetry. In fact, let me read a poem, which is called "Tradition," which gives that sense of being in the middle, where now I have a generation of great people in front of me like Brendan Kennelly, Seamus Heaney, John Montague, Richard Murphy. And here I am, coming after them, the middle voice, so to speak, between two generations.

"Tradition." A feeling of passivity, of handing over. All that was received I again deliver by just being here. Available no more, a watch of dependence, complete exposure, not even trying not to try to achieve.

This work is awaiting almost as if a host, his palms held up in supplication between two guests, begins an introduction. For years I've wanted you two to meet. The middle voice fading as they greet and the sweet nothingness of a go between.

SPEAKER: Do you worry about being up to it.

MICHAEL O'SIADHAIL: No, because if I worried, I wouldn't do it well. So I'm just happy to be in that tradition to do what I have to do as a poet to carry that tradition on in my own particular personal way. And the tradition then takes care of itself. But you are passing a baton despite yourself, so to speak.

SPEAKER: What spurs you to write? What events or thoughts?

MICHAEL O'SIADHAIL: Well, I think it's a question of life. In other words, I think the jazz factor in life. That's why I speak of "Hail! Madam Jazz," because I see life as a great adaption, a spontaneity, a surprise, suffering joy, all those things which jazz summon up for me as an image. And there's no telling what it's going to be that's going to actually do it. But it's often just something that has happened.

For instance, I wrote an elegy for my father-in-law, who was from Donegal, which is a perverse northwest county of Ireland, and he was a migrant worker. We often think of emigration, but this was migration. He used to work in Scotland over the winter and come back to his smallholding. So I wrote an elegy for him and I also mention in this poem, apart from the Donegal, place name is Meath, which is the rich heartland of Ireland.

"Loss." The last summer, he walked slower, chose to linger. Pausing in a lane way, he ran a thumb along the seam of an old garden wall. Those joints need pointing, he warned. Attentive, we saw in his face some strange play of inward movement.

On request, we drove to Meath. Those fields, a dozen times the size of his own, pleasured his eye. At Christmas, leaning on the window sill lovingly, he gazed over a few loamy acres towards Gola. In mid January, cutting back briars, he fell with his scythe.

Several years later, I wakened deep into the night, hear you sobbing to yourself. It's Patrick's Eve. That evening your father used to return after his winter exile, a laborer in Scotland.

Three eager children watched the dark beyond Dunlewey. Now, at last, the bus's headlamps arc the sky. Overjoyed, you raise the lights to meet him at Bunbeg. Tonight, here by your side I listen. Then kissing your forehead, throw my arms around your sorrow.

SPEAKER: I'm always surprised by the interest so many people take in poetry. On the face of it, you might think it's too intellectual a pursuit or something that people might label as intellectual. But if you faced a group of people, you'd find that a great percentage of them actually write poetry even though they may not be published. Does that surprise you?

MICHAEL O'SIADHAIL: No, I think there's a great longing, a great hunger in the human heart for poetry. And it's very much a thing of our times. You think of all the imagery that is around us in advertising and the radio, television.

We're being pounded with imagery the whole time, but it's all trying to manipulate us. Whereas, the poet gives you the soundbite, the short soundbite often with the image, which invites you rather than manipulates you. And I think there's a great longing in the human heart.

If it doesn't get it in poetry, it gets it in pop lyrics. It looks for it always. It needs that expression. It's part of our human condition.

SPEAKER: But so many people do it. And it seems to me so old fashioned and traditional. So people don't-- when they get all these images, all this coming at them, they don't go and make a big billboard or a TV show. They sit down with a pen and a piece of paper.

MICHAEL O'SIADHAIL: Because it's the great personal expression, which poetry is. And I think all people are moved to it. They often lose it after their teens.

And few people, I think, carry out a life at it. But they're the people who do it for the others who don't have time to do it, so to speak. And I think the great moments of our life, when, for instance, falling in love, that's the great one that stirs everybody to poetry. So maybe on that note, I should read you a love poem called "Out of the Blue," which hints at the whole serendipity and chance involved in a love relationship.

"Out of the Blue." Nothing can explain this adventure. Let's say a quirk of fortune steered us together. We made our covenants, began this Odyssey of ours by hunch and guesswork. A blind date where foolish love consented in advance.

No, my beloved. Neither knew what lay behind the frontiers. You told me once, you hesitated. A needle can waver, then fix on its pole. I'm still, after many years, baffled that the needle's gift dipped in my favor.

Should I dare to be so lucky? Is this a dream? Suddenly in the commonplace, that first amazement seizes me all over again. A freak twist to the theme.

Subtle jazz of the new familiar trip of surprises. Gratuitous beyond our fathom, both binding and freeing. This love re-invades us, shifts the boundaries of our being.

SPEAKER: Thank you very much for coming in.

MICHAEL O'SIADHAIL: It's a great pleasure to be here. Thank you for asking me here.

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