Hi, I'm JG Preston, and this is portfolio today. We're going to go back into time in the baseball history and talk with the man has written biographies of a couple of great baseball figures of the first part of the twentieth century former Detroit Tiger star Ty Cobb and John McGraw great player in his own right in the 19th century who became legendary is manager of the New York Giants in the early part of the twentieth century Gerald Alexander. The biographies has a password history at Ohio University in Athens, Ohio, and only with this afternoon to discuss Ty Cobb John McGraw on the days of yore in baseball in the 1919 tans in 1920, and I remember Iran's portfolio to 276 thousand for your questions for Charles Alexander.Oh Charles Alexander. Tell me you speak with the nice rich Appalachian accent, please. You have an Appalachian accent Charles and drills hear me Jeff. That's a first time for everything paging Charles Alexander Charles be there, but try to be a little louder. Actually. Where's your Appalachian accent? That's why I put you on this program the great Fortune to be born in Gallipolis, Ohio, which is where my parents were brought up when I got out of high school. My parents moved back to Jackson, and that was my big entertainment on Saturdays was driving over to Athens and just kind of walking around town take a time from enjoying the surroundings of Southeastern Ohio to come talk to hear Minnesota today Charles. I appreciate it. Better times are coming. As I mentioned in the introduction Charles Alexander's are the titles of books. He's written and you wonder if this guy is what's he doing in baseball that you see things like Crusade for Conformity the Ku Klux Klan in Texas 1920 to 19:30 nationalism in American thought 1930 to 1945 and Ty Cobb Charles out of the good honest scholar like you get in the baseball. Have a fan and You Know chords playing baseball when I was younger and I have loved the game for all those many years, but it was always as a fan. It's been all those many years storing away the tistics and lore about baseball in my head until the mid-1980s. Decided to wear at the urging of some of my colleagues and with great reluctance to organize the course the cold Sports in American history, and I've offered that every fault for the last four quarters. I have the thought of spin-off course American baseball history and I'm putting the American history course together with the literature in such as it was in the feel and I became aware of really how little solid work has been done in the history of American Sports and one of the things that occurred to me was that here was Ty Cobb who is one of the major figures in baseball history and one of the most famous men of his times and you need to you I am still a familiar name and that nothing really good ever been done on him. And so I decided to to do something completely different from what it ever done before number one a biography and number to a biography of a sports figure of a famous baseball player. And so I tried to do it as a as a historian using or whatever training skills and background what have you I had as a professional historian and not as a journalist not as a not as sore as a fan, but the same time as presumably as a professional and I was so pleased with the results of the book that I decided to try it again and push my luck and And really it's safe to say the before this. Neither of those guys is as famous as they were in history of American baseball. Neither had a real solid biography written about other famous sports figures Wasn't intended to the stand the test of time. I wasn't intended to impress anybody with you have to research or profundity or inside or character analyses, but the good entertaining reading for people who like to read about famous sports figures. There's a lot of that kind of work and I certainly the outstanding example of of that of the journalist sports bar grefe and one of the one of the great books ever written like one of the best of American biographies any kind is Robert Kramer's babe, but the very last 15 years or so. Is that the professional Scholars mainly historians have really got into sports history in a big white and a lot of quite impressive given the depth of the material. That's I suppose available about sports in American and sociological and historical impact. I'm surprised there's not more academic work done on that field. I guess. I felt that way when I was an undergraduate and even in the year since then I have not seen a lot of additional academic work about the the role of sports and Society might turn around and and and become more of an academic area Charles your work in sports history done by and professionally trained as Dorothy would phds teaching in college and university? Play 10 years or so and I think the boom will continue their their many courses been caught across the country now in colleges such as the courses that I teach sociologist or doing now and sociology of sport courses philosophers or sometimes doing philosophy of sport, of course, it's so it really has been a full-fledged discovery of the significance of sports academy. And that's a new thing of course history expands all the time. I mean the the concerns of history or all the time increasing to be basically politics and War. now includes virtually anything and everything and reports of Discovery Sports is it came along late in the development of the Ohio University in Athens and the author of biographies of Ty Cobb and John McGraw famous baseball figures. The cob book was released three years ago now Charleston hardback the John McGraw autobiography Auto. McGraw biography was released to 276 thousand of their phone number, by the way. If you have questions about these gentlemen for Charles Alexander about the process of biography 2276 thousand of an academic Astorian to this worked out of that alter the way you looked at Ty Cobb and John McGraw. What were you looking at? The maybe somebody was more from a strictly a sports fan would have overlooked or not even known to look for? One of the things that I always had in mind was to understand what baseball meant to people in the times of of carbon grow to understand what kind of place that did it have in the lives of those who were who were caught up with it the circumstances of 400 years. So when John McGraw was starting out and it was it was a big thing in the Major League cities a hundred years ago, but outside of those it was difficult to follow and consequently, the the baseball Heroes of 1890 weren't National figures that they became later on the other hand in those cities in which major league baseball was established. Probably there was just as much loyalty just as much appears attachment just as much Have a tendency to get caught up in infinite races. And what have you been is there is now even though the communications media that time basically limited to to the sports pages in the news. To try to understand what these individuals or what did they mean to their times? I mean, how did people relate to them? How were they thought of in their time? There was a temporary image? What was it like for them growing up? But what kind of stress is right where they under? What were the factors that condition. They're becoming the kind of men that they were what kind of struggles that they have two cases. Of course. There was a great deal of adversity to overcome. But in general I guess I'd say that it is his story and much more aware of the larger context. Maybe then somebody else who wasn't there. Who who didn't have Veterinary Specialty is American history my feet I was reading about it in that the context of what was happening in American history. What's going on in the in the history of the country as a whole? You mentioned Robert Kramer earlier Charles and his biography of Babe Ruth agrees to the best sports bio that I've ever read. We've had him on the program here a couple of times to talk about Ruth Anne to talk about Casey stengel's homie also wrote a biography of I haven't told Bob this to his face, but I didn't think the single book measured up to the the roof book at all. And I really thought one of the one of the problems possibly was it Kramer new stangl doing pretty well and end with maybe a little too close to it. And I think he agreed to the point that he thought maybe was easier writing about Ruth because he had no personal involvement with the guy no, no no steak and trying to remember the personal feelings. You did about a single. Do you find it easier to write about dead guys for a nicer way to phrase it both ways are obviously if you're right about somebody still alive you have access to it. It is presumably if that person is willing to cooperate with it, and there's there's resource there. Of course that one lacks perspective and also dealing with a person the right about a person still alive creates sensitive. Is it going to get his cooperation her cooperation, then you pretty much have to make some compromises in writing about that first. And of course you don't have to worry about that if the person is already did I don't know. I've never tried to write a book about anybody still alive. I don't think I would because I don't think that then I could I could do good book. Of course. I do. The pass for historian is is the past it's it's it's happened already and you're trying to maybe bring it to life, but you know that Are you have that distance from that perspective on it? So I need that myself in order to be able to look at said I would like to think that I'm going to try to write you what were you able to actually talk with with anyone who any contemporary McGraw's and preparing either of these books? Communication Cobb. I was not able to get any cooperation from his immediate surviving family, which is his two daughters. And one son that time a great deal of wounded feeling particularly. I'm in last 20 or so years of his life. They became alienated and estranged from him and Face just don't want to cooperate with me. But he's trying to find out the specs of a good cooperation from relatives cousins and nephews and what-have-you of in Georgia particularly other people who had known him and got some valuable information out of glue stick from the case of McGraw course thing as he was born thirteen years earlier than cops so that Very very few contemporaries McGraw are still alive. I did talk to him Hall of Fame shortstop Travis Jackson who died just last year and I also talked to a couple of bras nephews and and some other people people around trucks in New York for McGraw grew up. Of course, none of those another does contemporaries and trucks in are alive, but there are other people around trucks and who knows story is and who can point out the sights and whatever things having to do with McGraw there, but it's either case. Was there a large number of people And it could give me you know, firsthand. Information about the lives of either of you the Cobra McGraw how much first person type of material were you able to uncover a things that had not previously appeared in the publication. Oh, I am pregnant with the case of Cobb. I was able to uncover pretty print rate throw the tale. I think the circumstances of his father's death always been presented but by digging into the Contemporary newspapers in here in Augusta, Georgia, I was able to to put together what actually happened and I had actually been laid out that way. Weather varies episodes in McGraw's life as well that I have been just heard of passed over or have been represented in accurately than I was able to get into into town was able to clear up. I think such as for example, the circumstances of and other members of the New York Giants team in 1919 in trying to fix games and what-have-you in Anaheim the how how he how you had it was the year of the fixing of the World Series end up happening on New York Giants team that you're really was just part of a general pattern of Questionable and sometimes not at all questionable, undoubtedly dishonest dealings that were happening in baseball. So the task of trying to go as far as he can with the number for the things that I think it's time the sporting publications of the crime that why you don't come out of my journalistic perspective to use the perspective of contemporaneous journalist to flush out. The story morning news for example is indispensable for any. Of baseball history since 1886. I was called Sporting Life unfortunately Fulton up at 1917, but for the. Up to 1917 is hits indispensable. The amount of the tailed open times intimate and personal information. About the baseball figures that one can dig out of reporting using Sporting Life and contemporary daily newspapers and even in many cases contemporary magazine, if you just did Florida Henry careful. I know enough to begin with to be able to connect. Matters that that are don't have an obvious that connection it's obviously hard work Charles it is it is it is it fun as well as it more fun than what you doing your normal academic guys. This is my normal academic guys now has been for about the last eight years or so. I feel as if I'm almost as if Iota infielder's glove into class, but that's in various ways numbers to try new things into experiment. Ohio University Inn from my department here, but beyond that I feel very fortunate in being able to take written has been almost a lifelong. love affair with baseball in and turn that into a avocational interests and I'll be able to be able to do something with it that has been really quite rewarding. I guess that's portfolio here. This afternoon is Charles Alexander, Ohio University in Athens. Does indeed have a Texan accent just a bear just barely perceptible price of an Appalachian twins in their you're working out their child's how long you been in Athens now figures of the early 20th century in baseball history to 276 thousands are phone number if you have questions about the what we're talking about today for Charles Alexander. I'm JT Preston to 276 thousand phone's ringing we'll get to that in just a second. I want to ask you for we go to phones Charles said, can you draw McGraw and say Bobby Knight look guys who certainly had temper certainly were Stern disciplinarian taskmasters and yet where is often beloved by their players as they were a hated and despised is there much of a parallel you can draw them out there. Ask about John McGraw in relation to say Billy Martin and I said, well, you know, there's just as a manager either I can't imagine for girl would ever have humbled himself. There is a course a college basketball coach. Who is dealing with young men who were always the same age? Neighbors are always the age range for 1822 night grows older and his players always remain the same age course of the professor. I have the same problem students are always the same age and I keep getting older but so that he becomes nice becomes more more of a heck of a father figure the longer. He coaches screw with McGraw as well. McGraw was some very commanding figure drill drill sacrifice in baseball ahead of everything else. And if you don't want to play it that way then you know, I don't want you on my team and he wouldn't keep players around very long. did the show the kind of dedication that he expected in a course, Bobby Knight has been just that kind of leader with his with his college basketball like to go some are you dealing with with college boys? He's not dealing with professionals who are in their cases course with the but I think of the personalities of the two minerals are very similar and I think the way that they relate to their players. The the way that they thought of in the larger world is quite similar North night, of course has the fierce loyalty of the Indiana fans McGraw always had that kind of loyalty from the New York Giants. Everybody else hates Bobby Knight and everybody else hated John Rolfe. Did Tim McGraw get into the kind of trouble with his temper and emotions at night has been scrapped and battled with opposing players with umpires and with even with off the field and very situation. He was just about as combative and just about as many scraps has as cop was caught one more fight for that never won a fight. He was usually a disc physical disadvantage in the people that he got into scraps with. If I looking at the at the pictures in your book, it's it's it's hard to reconcile the young John McGraw with the older one. It doesn't even look like the same person. If you picked up a hundred pounds, you must pick up ATM in his nose. The one thing. And I got up to we got at about 220 pounds. Say what let's go to the phones and get some some of your conversation here for Charles Alexander author of the baseball biographies of Ty Cobb and John McGraw to 276 thousands are phone number. He runs portfolio ever going to Minneapolis. Thanks for waiting. Thanks, It's nice to know Jay-Z every week. I'd TuneIn that there's someone that still talking some intelligent stuff out there. First of all, I was wondering if you seen any shift and how it is. The media covers baseball Heroes Heroes & Sports in general. I know you said that I was going through the old sporting license 40 News, you see a lot of intimate details of lice. Do you see any change and what we consider the characteristics of our baseball Heroes and also what is it that makes baseball such such a long-term great sport. I know everyone always says it's a kids they played from an early age. It's ingrained into them. It seems like it's got to be something more than I'll hang up and listen. Thanks for the questions playing bat and ball games. And that it's something that you can have a lot of fun doing variations on baseball-softball and do poorly you cannot have fun playing football poorly. It hurts. What are you doing? It's running up and down the court. If you play tennis poorly again, it's very frustrating but with baseball bat and what have you and even if even if your stomach around and people to drop in the bowl and what have you in it is still a lot of fun to do. I think that's part of the appeal is the baseball on a personal level more. I think perhaps been than any other sport that we have. And everybody's done it. Everybody is dropped a Fly ball. Everybody knows what it's like and all that that wonderful feeling when you really get the the fat part of the bat on the ball, you know, there's no other feeling it anymore. It's black and it's part of the reason why I got so much more and so much history and there's so much in the way of the tistical foundation for it has is part of the magic of being a baseball fan. If you took away the numbers it wouldn't be nearly as much fun and we'll use those numbers to make cross-generational comparison to I think baseball has changed Less in the way to play Odyssey. But I think that the game on the field is probably changed last in any other than any other team sport that we have so that you can make those comparison comparison of the way Eric Davis plays center field with the way Willie Mays play center field with a waitress speaker. I was all the time being asked about the 1985 when Pete Rose overcame tacops accrue Patriots record versus Rose. One of the Michael Jordan. Nobody would think they would hang clue said who was one of the Great Khali start running one-handed truck George Mikan and Hakeem Olajuwon. Also came to mind to stop by in a 6-foot Lane was right up against the pass. So baseball, I think you could make. And they're probably more they are more plausible than more valid thing to make those comparisons at first glance. You say well the sportswriters 7557 five years ago were afraid to write bad think the idea was that grows out to be heroes that the Youth of the Nation look up to them and took them is as Role Models, even though the term role model had been done yet. But but there was described that waiting on the list of Babe Ruth certainly did a lot of things that were never reported and lot of those and some of those things were quite ugly. We would have are going to have a very different image of Ruth in his time. If those the journalism of that day had had actually covered some of us get paid off the field at the same time though if you if you dig into the coverage of that. It's remarkable how much stuff turns up of a personal nature for example, which was basically trade paper. What's not at all reluctant to discuss the drinking habits of players? And there was a great deal of coverage of players drunkenness suspensions for drunkenness player having a bad year because well he fell off the wagon during spring training example of bugs with the Giants 19919 12 the girl never could straighten him out where everybody knew he was Notorious drunk with the tail by the sporting news. And in the New York Times for that matter and a lot of that kind of thing was was no. How to say that the journalism at 75 years ago was based on hero worship and as opposed to that of today, which is concerned with getting into the inside people's lives in the end as well as age of Television course, you can assume that either saw the game on television or could have seen the game on television. I would have had to be there in person so that the role of the old sports writer was pretty much to Portray the game progress of the game you would get the descriptions of Sensational plays. Anyway, you would get the inning-by-inning account of what happened. And absolutely no Because the sportswriter stayed out of the locker room. They just weren't let in. We're reluctant to let their players do much talking to the sportswriters before or after the game so that you didn't have all these quotable quotes. Now, of course the thing is to rush into the locker room and to get up against the player with your pad or your microphone or whatever and get these quotable quotes. Course nonetheless. That's the style of Journalism day. If you look at the typical navigate, it'll be quoted commentary on the game from the manager in the players. So let some other significant change in the in the way that Sports journalism has developed over the years and sports journalism. 75 years ago is a lot more valuable lot more useful in terms of giving you a coverage day today of the of the baseball season. I am gain after game and what a player is doing the game after game so we could be able to research in that. 35 years from now unless you got the TV tapes to look at to find out what actually went on. Interesting observations 22 minutes before 1 here on sportfolio on ksjn 1330 Minneapolis-Saint Paul Richards hanging on the line Richmond going to get to you in just a minute to 276 thousands are phone number Charles Alexander. I guess who's the author of biographies of Ty Cobb and John McGraw and a professor of history at Ohio University come back and visit a little bit more with Charles Alexander in just one second. Hello. This is did. I help you stay tune to ksjs on 1330 throughout the day today coming up this afternoon. It's the weekend review on this afternoon's program will look at the selection this week of Lloyd bentsen. There is Michael Dukakis his running mate get a report on the continuing diplomatic spat between the US and Nicaragua the US house this week past. The plant closings bill will have a report on that. Also. Look at the continuing drought here in Minnesota those stories and more on the weekend review coming up at 1 this afternoon. Thank you. Mr. Hystad lovely day in the Twin Cities going to get up around 87 and that's all before. The day is over Charles Alexander is sweating like a pig and Athens, Ohio, but we're finally going to cool off here today less humid to boot at North Breeze. Bring in some cooler dryer are partly cloudy tonight low somewhere around 62 and tomorrow partly cloudy and warm with a high near 90, but we can handle that after yesterday sports news for you. First of all, Heavy Rain is for postponement of the third round of the British Open Golf Championship today. I got half the field on the course, but some of the green started to become flooded, so they suspended playing in finally called it off weather permitting no play 36 holes tomorrow around 3 and round for tomorrow in the British. Open wins. Beat Baltimore last night for 2 to win the American League while on the other hand Oakland was losing again against Toronto at Oakland to hitter for the Blue Jays has Toronto won by a score of 1 to nothing. So the twins now just for games out of her to the American League West Winds play Baltimore again tonight at Memorial Stadium starts at 6:35 our time Freddy Tolliver. Beyond the mouth of the twins looking for his first Victory. The season to 276 thousands are phone number Charles Alexander Our Guest Richard is on the line Richard. Thank you for waiting. How do I fix a turbine Wing by Jimi key, I guess it's reading it. Was that the one any conclusions really drawn about Ty Cobb? My son as a major Leaguer that was his kind of view that it was anger and resentment that made him a great player and yet, you know, he was a little strange and then it later in life. You probably was mentally ill as it the older he got and then after I read your biography of read a Harry Stine's book hoopla, which then kind of put on a prospective cuz the main character fictional main character said hi, and everybody knew it and everybody thought that and I was wondering if you would Outside of the context of the historical biography, you know how you felt about that to you? And the other question was what kind of reputation does the University of Minnesota History Department have any more particularly. If someone did graduate research and sports would it be favored frowned upon or how would they react to that? If you have any opinion? Thank you have no idea what the reaction on the University of Minnesota History Department might be to a proposed research. I would assume that it's being a good history Department strong reputation that there would be sufficient amount of work, but there is to my knowledge no active. involvement on the part of anybody University of Minnesota Department at the present time is concerned will be a lot of people said that and if they said that for a long time I chose not to pass judgment on his sanity or Insanity in my book because I'm not a psychiatrist. Even if I were I doubt if I would know sanity from Insanity terms like terms like paranoia shouldn't be applied to historical characters people that we can only know second hand and we can never subject them to the kind of clinical examination things to me is the only thing that can justify than a diagnosis of somebody is being paranoid a clinical terminal to be confined to clinical. the play there's no doubt. My mind is called pussy. He had a personality that ran to extremes. He was extremely sensitive. He tended to see slights insults in justices that were other people would have just struck them all. And he did and I'm not sure if you got worse as he got older problem was that you no longer at the baseball field at Freddy's hostilities. He's basically a combative personality on the field was involved in baseball in any way after he retired. I don't think you know what to do with himself and consequently his tendency to disco Divas first relationship conflicts develop. I think that became accentuated over the years and still not ready to firmly call may or may not have had his head on straight. I don't think that's the functions of ography I go out of my way. In fact in the preface to the I don't have any use for psychobiography and I won't go into the many reasons why I don't like cyclebar free, but it was not my purpose to to do that kind of of a book and Norwood McGraw teether. So it's really about all I can say on that score. I might ask is I saw it with anybody else is to be as as sensitive as sympathetic really empathetic if possible. As as involved with a person's life is as I can get that doesn't mean I have to like the first and other lot of things that I didn't like about either Cobb warmer grow up to be honest. I like cough more than I do you really why is it but his background he grew up in a small town in the south is Father. It was a school administrator. I grew up in a small town in South Houston Texas. My father had to grow up, you know being the son I had my father had very strong personality. Some people found his overpowering cops father had this very strong personality. people to look up to him into to defer to him and Kava and worship his father and then start to please him. translate try to please never really had very much success staff, but I'm with a lot of God's experiences that I didn't have with Golf Course came from very different backgrounds in the north when being North or South made a great deal more difference then and it does now and What's up, I think different kind of person and just not enough fuel to close to McCall really go back to the phones for some more of your questions for Charles Alexander story in and biography of John McGraw anti-cop. 2276 thousand of our phone number here on ksjn 13th Minneapolis. Hi Steven. Thank you for waiting for sight on the Black Sox Scandal. I'm I'm reading a book right now Eight Men Out and I'm super curious what you think first place about the fact that during a. Of time some very fine literary figures Damon Runyon and ring lardner writing but also about whether the baseball writers against them as opposed to that would have been more aggressive in in ferreting out that story. and also just the sort of General. I guess the general question about how deeply threatened baseball was bye-bye gambling during a. Particularly in Eight Men Out it's stress that people like Ty Cobb were throwing games or at least seem to been been been implicated implication that focuses the DJ guys got caught because it was a World Series and because of their hostility to Charles Comiskey the other people were doing it to adventures in your comments on do I don't think I've ever had his thing as baseball career course, there was a big flap charges that were made by one of cops former teammates that Coventry speaker and two other players that's been inspired to My investigation of all that cause me to agree with the Contemporary judgment that judge Landis made the commissioner of baseball that there really wasn't anything to it. And he first went on to play his last two years with the Philadelphia Athletics and the game of what he considered to be Vindicated, but it was a lot of shady stuff going on in baseball now Chase had a career of 14 years in the major leagues. For most of that. It was common knowledge among the ballplayers. I'm a minute for at riders in a mini fans for that matter that case was very close to big-time gamblers and that in all probability from time to time Chase let down on the field in order to lose games. I win his bet money against his own team. On the other hand Chase was an outstanding ball player. He was generally regarded as defined as healing first baseman that had ever come along and he also led the national league in hitting one year since Natick. McGraw I want to Chase and even you know, after all these many years and after Christy Mathewson probably closer than anybody ever after Matheson who's going over to Madison Cincinnati Reds got rid of shakes because he just couldn't put up with Chase anymore McGraw. None of us is willing to take him out because he thought that he could take this guy with his notorious reputation make him into an artist ball player and get a good productive year to out of it. Well, it turned out to reform unregenerate ball player. But the chase episode just points up the the sort of permissive attitude that existed in baseball gambling and gamblers. Android Association of players with campers now the Black Sox were not the only one who were fixing games and as a matter fact in the case of the Black Sox this without the World Series without the first time the White Sox have done this kind of thing and that in fact in the 1920 season before the Scandal broke. In the season after they hit the fix the World Series, but I might said that there's a lot of a lot about the Black Sox Scandal that we don't know that that's enough was not able to cover and that I will never will know although that's certainly the best book on the subject and probably about as close to the truth as if we're ever going to get but there will always be a lot of unanswered questions about that when judge Landis became commissioner of baseball. He not only band 8 players from the Chicago White Sox team is 1919-20. But he also kicked out about 20 other players. Because of suspicions of involvement with gamblers or knowledge beforehand of the 6 in the 1919 World guilty knowledge is the lawyers calling media Charles with the with the media the 1980s have done a better job with that then the the Contemporary media. Did Rollie the first break in the story came in the Philadelphia North American And the News man head had dug up sufficient amount of facts that Joe Jackson and Eddie C code in Chicago new story was about to break and that's what caused them to go to the Cook County district attorney and make their confessions, Chicago. Was of a did a great deal to keep suspensions alive who's the winner of 1919-20 to keep in people's mind the idea that something was wrong with the world series of 1990 other reporters were in over. We're trying to find out as much as they could have to cover up on the part of the press a great baseball team and he knew that he was going to his name would be wrecked for for many years. He's going to 1994. Haydn hidden the fact that they didn't do that the print media in those days is there is now I think a great deal that the television and Doug ending and in the print media to come up with to come up with the news. I got time to get another color on the air for Charles Alexander huron's portfolio and we'll go to White Bear Lake High Gym. Thanks for calling and I want to know is how did he die? He was shot in the head and the chest by Kyle's mother and with a shotgun and killed it was an accidental shooting. She said although she was excited and was trying to count on a charge of Voluntary manslaughter that was the technical chart she was acquitted but she had to go through the whole process and all that happened about to jump from the valley floor Myers all the way to Detroit. News is that his father has been killed. Solunar table is only with only a 19 years old at the time. So it was a terrible thing for him to have to go through and try to keep himself together and try to keep his his mind on his goal which was to make it as a big leader big Leaguer, but it was very bizarre on the part of mrs. Cobb local story was the cops father had suspected his wife and then love her and so he is the range to be out of town and take back into town and try to catch her in the act and he climbed up on the roof over the front porch and she heard this noise out there on the on the roof and she saw this figure out there and so she grabbed the shotgun And fire through the window to blast and killed his mother done it on purpose what his whether he he suspected that she had killed her father. He always treated her with respect and their relations remain closed after after that shooting. But on the other hand in his autobiography only mentioned or twice. So that's that's one mystery. I wasn't ever be able to clear up for them not to my satisfaction as to how I felt about all that we have to get done here in just a minute Charles. But since it is summer time, we got a lot more time on our hands for reading them after we get done with your two books or what other kind of particular baseball historical Works in you recommend to us that you think will add to our understanding of particular incident, sir, or people in baseball history. Play me Peter Levine's biography of Albert Spalding. It was one of the pioneer figures and the game is a player as an owner and courses of Sporting Goods back. And I think it's certainly has his very worthwhile and Jackie Robinson the end and more importantly the whole first generation of of black players. I came along after Robinson Cole baseball's great experiment book exponentially of good together working mostly in baseball history. but I also recommend rather obscure book because it was published by little bitty press and limited edition and is going out of print now, but by Robert Boone, I called hack rather brief biography of Hank Wilson. Charles I hate to admit it, but could we have to go but I've had a very enjoyable our conversation with you and I thank you for taking the time. I appreciate it another book soon Charles great. Thanks very much of biographies of both Ty Cobb and John McGraw is a professor of history at Ohio University in Athens, Ohio. Thanks to sue making our associate producer in absentia. Thanks to David O'Neill who took care of the telephones with his usual skill and Grace. Thanks, Jeff Walker. Who did it all behind the big board. Thank you for listening. I'm JD presidency again. Same time. Same place next week for a portfolio. 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