In in talking about the neighborhood movement and then looking at what it what relationship it has to the neighborhood press. I guess I like to give a little bit a little bit of History. It seems to me that the neighborhood movement started and in a lot of ways in the sixties, the neighborhood movement was really centered around anti-poverty programs in the neighborhood and it's really about the kinds of local self-control governance that you saw in those anti-poverty programs and programs related to them. And when the government changed his mind about those largely it seems to be caused as local citizens decided to take power. They started suing local government and federal agencies in the government. Didn't think that was the proper way for recipients and clients to show how grateful they were for the programs. So they decided in particular took to draw back on the legal support systems as well as some of the programs. For those of you who are into this by the way, you might be interested to know that. one of the aides which president liked Reagan has has sent out a letter to people around the country which she calls the 5000 faithful to set up a system to eliminate Legal Services as one of the programs the government has so there's been I think over the years in spite of some changes in administration that General desire to get rid of those programs, which some people saw is is creating lots of radical Brother people saw as fundamentally changing power relationships in the country. And that's the perspective the Viewpoint from which the neighborhood people draw from didn't come out of the radicals. So it doesn't identify with the radicals of the 60s. Gale cincotta is probably the perfect image of the neighborhood movement about a 5-foot woman about as wide as she is tall. Platinum blonde wig who when she came into the movement in 1972 and he drove by your house on the westside of Chicago. It was the symbol of working-class f it would complete with a flag in the window with two stars for her two sons who were in Vietnam. It was not a movement of radicalism. She was and she said defined by the words of next to Richard Nixon. She was Middle America and the movement was about Middle America or at least the values of Middle America. There are lots of roots of the neighborhood movement. They range all the way from from people who came out of the civil rights movement of people who are in poverty programs. But all of us, I think of some debt people who were interested in what is now called the neighborhood moving and it's hard to find in the people who got involved in the investment of this investment question around the country cuz they're the ones who developed the National Organization the national base which went to Washington and three times beat the banking Lobby and a senator proxmire said one time. Nobody ever saw before ever beat the banking Lobby obviously citizens groups neighborhood groups for black old people weren't going to beat the banking Lobby. They've been to Washington asking for legislation three times and then come away with legislation three times. Last year when they were introducing a piece of legislation Senator proxmire went to Galveston, and she said I want you to do this piece of legislation. He said I can't do that. It won't work. So we'll never get it through. She said well, I brought you been around here a long time. What's your batting average? How many times do you get something through because I get it through by 60% the time I get what I want and she said and how many times have I got what I wanted to say. Well then put it through. and I think in that as I as I can. There's something to be learned. Not only did you have a National Association of community groups, but I think a lot of people here. I've had some organizing experience our relationship with the organizers and all of us who you pick a Target that's clear. So it's called a Target you fix something. That's clearly you don't pick something complicated. He can't get people in in a neighborhood all excited about something that's very complicated and once fascinated me over the years is how anyone in their right mind any organizer with an ounce of sense would have picked the banking industry and the Federal Banking regulatory industry as their target. No one in his right mind can understand that. I'm in the university for 12 years. No one on the University campus understands that. So, why would Community people do that? Or what always excites me is how come when I get on the University campus. I can find maybe out of entire economics Department School of Management one person who can in a vague and parsley incorrect way explain something called the secondary mortgage Market has to do with how mortgages are bought and sold, but I can go to Detroit. And talk to a welfare grandmother in Detroit and she can explain explain the entire Market to me and also explain how it affects our neighborhood and what they're going to do about it. I only did they attack a conflict industry, but they tend to understand it better than other people. I've heard the Secretary of Hud two successive Secretary of Hud finally concede at National neighborhood conference. Is that the neighborhood people knew more about the running of how to program Santa how to fishel's I have heard the director of the Comptroller currency, which regulates National bank's the federal Home Loan Bank board with pegs light savings and loans say the same thing and just three months ago. I heard the director of the insurance institute's United States say the same thing. Maybe they're beginning to catch on. There's a persistence in the neighborhood movement. 2 years ago when The Neighbor people started picking up on redlining the fact that the insurance redlining that they couldn't get insurance in the neighborhood. They finally got in Banks to invest but they couldn't get insurance the president of federal Home Loan Bank of Chicago Insurance Executives. And I think she symbolize what the movement was all about some what she got up there and she said all you people are afraid of me sit at home finding out exciting wonderful ways to attack the federal government and attack the corporate sector. She said the truth of the matter is it was a Saturday morning? I'd like to be home with my family like all the rest of you would like to be home with your family. And I would have been home with my family if you didn't share the house in my neighborhood, but you didn't answer my house. And when I went down to straighten out with your company, your company wouldn't respond when I went to the state office to see what the state would do. The state didn't respond. So then I had to learn about federal laws and federal regulations. And when the federal government wouldn't respond, we got a national movement together. We passed the law. I still like to go home and leave my family. I don't want to know about banking laws Insurance. Why is nobody wants to know about that stuff, but you made me do it. She said it reminded her to the one phrase. She most remembered from television the little she watched was Flip Wilson always saying the devil made me do it. And she said well you made me do it if you keep making us do what will keep learning and if you just do what we wanted a neighborhood we won't ever bother you people. And insurance companies will they have people there from all one with all the major insurance companies Executives there? I only have one thing to say. He said I didn't believe that when I first became president of federal Home Loan Bank in Chicago, and I want to tell you from experience that she's not kidding. They aren't going away to learn all about your industry that learn things you wish they didn't know and I'll get what they want. So you might as well give it to him now and save yourself a lot of trouble. They didn't catch on in that industry three weeks later at the Renaissance Center in Detroit heads of the major Insurance industries were barricaded themselves in the men's room. And in that I think there's something else about it, which relates to Media without the media. There wouldn't be a neighborhood movement. The people were talking about where old people who are poor people minority people people without any power by almost any way you can you can conceive a power. I had one power which was to make an issue if they could make an issue. They thought they could win their people with Incredible confidence that they were right. They had no fear of being wrong. They figured if they could just get that was going on in the neighborhood. It would show that there was nothing wrong with their neighborhoods and their fundamental response was they had Banks insurance agencies social service agencies telling them that something was wrong with your neighborhood has Bill Moyers star coin. Beautiful phrase your neighborhood is obsolete. And it's going to be recycled and we're going to get a new model except you won't be there by the time we finished rebuilding your neighborhood and I didn't believe their neighborhoods were obsolete. They lived in those neighborhoods for a long time. When I forgot my responded to the riots in the 60s and 70s, they set up a group of insurance programs their response to the problems of investment in the inner city where it must be a terribly risky place will set up a lot of insurance program to protect lenders when you insure a whole bunch of programs, give every lender an investor 100% Insurance on their investment. They don't care about those Investments anymore. Make them cuz they don't take care of things. That's what works out. And that's precisely what happened in the city, but people began to find out that they couldn't get regular loans regular insurance. I had to go any special insured government programs. That was the only Market left to them. And there's nothing wrong with my neighborhood must be something wrong with you and the banker said no, you don't understand. We know all about risk and investment. And why are the essence I think of from that point out of the neighborhood movement? It's been a kind of self-determination movement people began to realize. The experts near going to talk I want it works out to about professionalism that it was not only a challenge in the economic sense in a political sense a challenge, which is particularly in our society, which is a challenge to professionalism. They didn't believe and they have learned I think by Hard Knocks as one of students over says all the rest of us were afraid of the of the high priests to finance. It was only the neighborhood people who are the courage to pull back the curtains and find out that the Wizard of Oz was a little old man yelling into megaphone. They found out they didn't know anything about neighborhoods. They didn't even know what neighborhood economy was. I didn't know much about risk. As is girls incarcerated at a recent conference. She said this investment in our American cities. Was based on beliefs in economics reinvestment is based on beliefs in politics. And I think that's what the movement has been about 2 in Philadelphia. They cease lending in the inner-city because they believed that old neighborhood particular if they were minority neighborhoods must be a bad risk. You couldn't make loans in them. My political pressure the banks were forced to make loans. They now have in the inner city of Philadelphia a Consortium of banks with almost 15,000 loans a third of those people have only welfare income in the foreclosure in default. Right on those loans is lower than it is in the suburbs. They were simply wrong. When they all acted together their beliefs were self-fulfilling prophecies when you took all the money out of the neighborhood because you said it was risky and then they would have died. They said see I told you so and they said yeah, but nobody can make it if you take all the money away. It was by political power that they forced them to put money back but lenders used to call social ending until they found out that it work just as well and sometimes better than investing in Chrysler. The song neighborhood people have begun to establish a sense of legitimacy. And there is in that movement some interesting lessons for us one that have to do I think with with with the press in particular. When is this investment is a process if we just take that particular example, it's sort of like institutional racism and institutional racism with the television in Chicago. There is nothing to photograph. You can show a building Annapolis people. You only get about 30 seconds of a shot on it and a new show at night and got to have something Visual and we began to see but as we worked with with investigative reporters in Chicago, who would that time we're the only ones going to take the time to learn about a process that there is something begin to work with the school journalism Northwestern which was trying to set up an urban journalism program. There is a fundamental problem between the underlying processes withdraw from the causes of our problems and the way in which the Press has to respond the Press response to events. And the underlying issues. We were dealing with four processes and there wasn't it. They just weren't suited for coverage. There was no place to stick them. The response of the neighborhood people was to educate the Press by making the process into a series of events in the course of each events to begin to unravel before people's minds the notion of what the process was about. Imagine for yourself Edina or Wayzata, which will be comprable to a place called Kenilworth outside, Chicago. How do you deal with the regulatory process how Savings and Loans and banks are regulated and how that how their regulatory affect your lack of proper regulation encourages lenders not to make loans in your neighborhood. Not an exciting issue in and of itself. There's no particular feeling like there was when you're talkin about blockbusting and panic peddling Realtors. How do you deal with that? For what imagine for yourself? A quiet tree-lined street the largest vehicle that ever went on a street with a moving van maybe once every 3 or 4 years a nice summer evening. And in one of the houses the president of the federal Home Loan Bank board in Chicago is having a barbecue for his friends and he's got the steaks on the fire and he's got this nice little fence around his house and it's peaceful and quiet then you begin to hear this rumbling in the background and you. Over the fence down the street and two dozen chartered buses from the city of Chicago are rolling down this residential street, and they all Park out in front in about 9 in the evening out of those buses about 60 people per bus. For blacks welfare mothers little children half of them crying running around in circles with red streamers throwing red streamers over this man's fence into the party claiming. Your institution red lines are neighborhoods the neighbors began to pour out of their houses into around what in the world is going on. New neighbor moved in next door to the car says I'm from Detroit. I know it redlining is and I said, well this man controls the banks in the city of Chicago and his policies are hurting our neighborhoods and I was awful what happened in this way. They did manage to conjure up almost kidnapped members of the press message Chicago stick him on these buses. So here is this bizarre scene right? There is a band starts playing music and the streamers are flying in the air and then the children have to go to the bathroom. So how the president of the federal Home Loan Bank bring the kids to the house so that they can go to the bathroom right now and all of this has been captured on video tape for the 11 News in Chicago is Sue a series of events that A kind of sense of the theater the neighborhood people were able to make the meeting with a larger major media take seriously what their questions were all about? and they have become Masters at they figured that people believed that corporate leaders and bankers must be intelligent and neighborhood people must be a bunch of crazies after all that the class differences the way they dress the way they talk the way they look was something you had to break through if you wanted your movement to gain some respectability. So the key thing which they wish they depended upon this comes out of the fact that was difficult for the media particularly in their case where there was no local press and I had to get coverage from the television media major papers. So the way in which you make the carpet people in the bankers look silly. So when you ran down an occupied their Lobby, they would yell and scream at own people and say well that's not dignified for Banker don't scream and kind of wants that everybody knew we were crazy and that's a greatly wording effect. They didn't have to worry about having any dignity, you know and Community groups up here. I find the frustrating thing is they're they're very worried about the image and looking respectable. And I know last year the conference your friends in your neighbors are the folks. You have to worry about being your friends. It's a great liberating experience for people to believe you're crazy because then you don't have to worry about your behavior. And after a while the news media forgets about talking about how you're crazy because everybody knows that but if you can make the bankers and the other people look crazy, then you gained some stature for your argument then if everybody's crazy. Maybe they turn and look at the argument for a while instead of people's behavior affected it to find style. If you go to the National people's action in Chicago, which is the head of the national base of Labor movement's most powerful National life group. You'll find a sizable room in the back which is full of videotape equipment. I've never seen such a sophisticated set-up except for some presidential. campaigns in my life just literally a studio when they staged an event. They send out their own cameras to cover up. After they've stage the event they clip all the clippings in a local newspaper and they have three betamax systems and they tape all the network coverage from from the local networks. When they're done. They call their leaders back. Can I say? Okay what three points? Did you want to make what did the media cover which points did they cover which ones didn't they cover how we going to do a different next time write down to little things like it's wonderful to have mothers with crying children in order to draw attention people think there's something wrong but while a man is making our announcement about what the issues are, please make sure that the children go into the background and they're not on the front. I mean kind of levels of one thing is used to stay at attention to get the Press when you want to make your issue. Everyone else has to sort of disappear in the background. So the issue can be heard so that they don't keep thinking that it's just about screaming children and that the screaming yelling going on. They have a video tape library on a look at the progress and the media coverage it is when you talk later on about objectivity and advocacy a form of manipulation of the press. One thing I'd like to say about neighbor people as they don't they never say never crossed their minds that the Press would be objective. I mean that wasn't a question in anyone's mind. They just presume that they weren't but that everybody had different biases that you had to work with those biases. So their notion to try and obviously like other people create event switch people will cover. It seems to me from the attic and then I guess the last thing I talk about is. The reason I think they feel that way is because they think they understand something fundamental about what they're doing. They are beginning to develop a notion of what then record humping student has caused more government. But it isn't the kind of of a Conservative Republican ocean and it is not liberal Democratic notion to they're just as critical of the Democrats is Ronald Reagan in the sense of how they don't want more Federal programs because that means lots of red tape and it's very difficult to work with other hand. I don't want Friedman. Open market capitalism either their basic Frost has been to try and regulate the banking industry. But only in the sense not to regulate them to tell them what to do. The community reinvestment act which is a major piece of legislation. He tells Banks they have an obligation to serve local credit needs and if they don't they can lose their banking privileges. And give the community the right and I was legal status to file challenges against the bank if they don't but there's nothing in the law telling a bank what they should do another word. That's all left up to local people in the community people in the bank to work out their own does our own systems and plans for how to invest in that Community. It's not a federal program with with her straight jacket regulations on it. So they believe that there is some modicum of Regulation that I'll take place, but they fundamentally believe that government should do as little as possible. But they're fundamentally afraid of this new buzzword. We here called The public-private partnership. That has to do I think with understanding of power. The public-private partnership isn't there word you look back in history. You'll see the neighbor people talked about control local control not Partnerships partnership is a corporate words. And that's why the nervous. Some people said without the accountability if the partnership doesn't include the neighborhood people. Then the public-private partnership is simply a way of holding public ribbon-cutting ceremony for what we used to call Private back room deals. The government in the corporate sector can cut a deal which we used to say was a shady backroom deal. And now we called the public-private partnership a sterling example of civic-mindedness. I think that's what people are concerned about that there ought to be within this notion of the public-private partnership a three sided table if you would Where everybody has some accountability in the fundamental problem from the neighborhood point of view is if that's a corporate world and the government innocence is a corporate government. If you look at government agencies, they're designed to deal with agencies not people. He hasn't even got a place for a human being to go in Washington. There is no one to talk to how do you set up to deal with developers City governments lenders real estate professional organizations. It doesn't happen. If you're a citizen, you can't go one scale some kind of went for some meetings with him and I'm going to pay everyone's way and I find a civil. We have a category for everyone else but not for you. You're a citizen and there's no way we can pay your way. There's no category for that. Your fundamental problem. Your agencies are set up to do with other agencies. And so it's easy. There's something is a legal agency that you can sign legal contracts. There's a formal structure is easy for the corporate sector, they can sign documents. They can make you it's hard to deal with something called the neighborhood or community. So the fundamental questions it seems to me that are being asked about this buzzword of the public-private partnership have to do with how you establish an equal footing in terms of sharing profits making Investments making decisions control on if you're something called the community, if you're not a corporation, you're not a government agency and that seems to be a fundamental Challenge and 1 schools of public affairs like mine turn to management. They've got it wrong. I tried him for a long time and management is about the process of excluding people from the decision-making process in order to make it more efficient or at least controlling the decision-making process democracy is about opening it up and it always struck me as interesting than in schools of public affairs. It's nice to have foreign students that makes us feel good. But so many governments around the world And it was something is stuck in his kind of odd that American schools of public affairs would be seen as The Fitting Place To Train people and totalitarian governments and I kept asking about that and they said well because content is a matter fact management is a more efficient notion in Spain or Russia or in Argentina than it is in the United States and therefore they thought management. What's the best to elect to give their people? I think that racing fundamental questions about our notion of public education and public affairs and also related to this neighborhood movement. Locally then and the last thing I don't know how you deal with it. Neighborhood people decide that local is a serious level at which to ask questions, but it doesn't have a legal status of sometime. They find themselves cut out from normal decision-making processes except for citizen participation, which most people at the Camille level think it's kind of silly citizen participation isn't like being a partner Partners folks who make decisions are Partners supposed to own things are Partners. Hope to put in for the public meetings on partners. Can't you read the HUD regulations for Snap-on citizen participation? No matter what your plan is the last sentence of that section reason nothing in these regulations should be taken to be construed as to take away the final decision making power from the city government so that no matter what is in there. It doesn't make any difference. If someone else makes the final decision in the city or people recognize the citizen security people as having power and legitimacy. If you run around the country and find out where citizen participation works it works in those cases. You don't need that says participation plan places where it doesn't work no matter how elaborate the plans are these places where they were the people don't have power don't have an established relationship with the government and haven't had a history of working with them. You can't make citizens have power by citizen participation regulations citizen participation regulations exist. And people realizing that they're sort of got out of that system. And I think she was talked about about trying to decentralize things. The power was always pretty far away. I take Aleve when they got in the banking if you get into a tissue almost all the solutions, nationally or the other as the people have to deal with the even your state agencies that regulate State Banks here actually subcontract most derogatory power off to the federal agencies Federal Reserve Deposit Insurance Corporation, so that when you want to deal with the behavior have to go to Washington and change that system now, that's a little hard to do. If you're in the neighborhood in Dubuque, Iowa still feel a little distant. I mean we talked about people doing the distance from City Hall you feel real distant from the Secretary of HUD in the Comptroller of the currency. So one of the things that the kind of magical and nice to watch is people that help local issues where they should have beat up on their Banks and get angry at them or try and develop a tooth without incorporation and get something going and they're frustrated by Washington the whole nature if you ever go to one of the national neighborhood conference that God's people have for example National people's action conference, which is in March this year in Washington is to get everybody on those buses and go to Washington the first few years. They used to invite Federal officials to come and the seats would be empty. They wouldn't come or they send some Lackey a public relations person has learned that if you don't come to the public meeting the folks will get on the buses and come to your house in Maryland. So they all come as Gail said it's the only National Conference in a country where nobody had to pay a speaker to come. They all show up. One of the things they do is it all the groups around the country who had Victory so they will have what she meant. They all, they tell their stories but the kind of almost as kind of a religious celebration, right and they and they always invite all the federal Regulators who haven't done what they're supposed to win their minds to come of an hour before they're really going to speak so they can sit up here and watch these people balloons go up every time there's a victory and after of I celebrated and then they turn around say okay now, what are you doing? you know and I put up a report card and I'll say And the next day or last year was American Bankers Association in the president didn't do what they like. So the next day they all got them bosses ad hoc, make it up that evening about 1,500 people that all the bus drivers come to my neighborhood so I can get to a bus driver to take him anywhere and and the policeman have them come from the neighborhood association the police might end up protecting the people rather than the bankers the folks to make sure nothing would happen again. So I went down the American Bankers Association and took it over literally just took over the office and called up the head of the bankers Association said, do you know what your president told us pictures of pictures of a healthy organization and whenever Easy to get in but they weren't planning on 1512 trying all at once. So now that I have to invite any speakers everybody come there's a psychology about that a psychology which goes back to the community level a participatory sense of things and experiential sense of things people don't relate in sort of structures and functions. They relate by experiencing things to go back to the beginning. The reason the woman in Detroit can tell me about the secondary mortgage Market in cuz she went to the university and learned about it or read a book about it. But first she started out with a realtor in the realtor said while I can't help you. I can't get a loan if you went to the bank and the bank said well, I'd like to give you a loan. But if I made a loan I couldn't sell it to see if I can't sell a loan to another bank or someone else. I don't want to make it because I don't want to stuck in my books. And the first thing she knew she was talking about the secondary mortgage Market, which is this process to advise loans and a secondary people said that we can't buy them because the regulations are wrong. So then she knew about the regulations in Washington and she can explain what effect that has on her neighborhood and I don't knows what the system is. She knows why she wants to change it. NFL this is actually more complicated. But that's what you get. You get neighbor people who can explain that, you know, and when someone like you who's the wife of a gas station attendant Chicago can be head of a national Lobby that goes to Washington and and drafts three pieces of banking legislation to get through squeak through but none of us make it through each time. You're talking about people the fundamental sense of understanding the reason to legislation passed if you ever read those hearings is because the congressman were absolutely stunned at how much those people knew about the banking sector and how relatively uninformed and Casual the banking lobbyists were in their presentations. They outflanked the folks who are supposed to know about the industry. Now I think to get right down your local press area if there was important things between the twin city is that I can see in terms of this movement. 1 fundamentally the movement is about what we used to call when I was in seminary demythologize in. The confidence and strength people get is easy about pulling back the curtain and finding out the Wizard of Oz is a little man blowing into megaphone people don't have many other resources. They are never going to be college graduates necessarily are never going to be rich minority. People are never going to be white whatever it is that's causing them to have difficulties in society for the most part. They aren't going to overcome those structural-functional logical conditions that they have. What's made those people strong is that they've begun to take upon themselves responsibility for their own lies and demand that they have the control and authority to make the decisions that are important about their lives as well as several of them and said you only have the power you take it to yourself. The problem is they run against in that. Is power isn't an ever-increasing commodity. It's a limited Supply and it's only so big and if you get power someone else is going to lose it when Harlan's leaving the director of The Institute was talking about the problem of government does a terrible crisis in government and he started talking to different people on and we got him some papers from some people in the neighborhood movement and they said there's not a crisis by government but it be in Washington is a crisis of a psychological problem of government people who are concerned about the fact that they no longer have control over things. Sometimes I say what we do with infected but in a larger sense, he said they're worried about the fact that they're not having control the private sector and local groups would have you call neighbor and woman are there other things associated with that citizens are gaining control on the government is frustrated because it's losing control. So there may be a crisis of government from the government side, but there is a Renaissance of control and growth. If you look at other people if you look at it from their perspective frustrated as Community people are they think they're gaining and again as I say if the neighbors point of you both the corporate people and and the neighbor people may be gaining not from their point of view. The problem is that if the neighboring people gain at a time when we're saying more things out of be done by the private sector then the private sector is also going to lose or at least be subject to some control by The Neighbourhood people and therefore they see the public-private partnership largely as a political Alliance of two people losing power against a group of people that are afraid of gaining power, but that's the way most people to find that. And that's why they want accountability and participation. But if you see that as a political thing and not just an economic thing when it was actual thing or a psychological good feeling you have a minute too much of what neighborhood stuff is about comes from the National Endowment for humanities or something where people I'll talk about how you need it feel to be a neighborhood and that's not what it's all about. You know. It's about survival to get together and water. We have housing a new solar technology like they do in San Bernardino. I didn't do it cuz I felt neat they did it cuz I had to save that neighborhood. They had to save their surrounding for the people who live there for their own families. And I think when you look at it from that perspective, you see that it's about power. That's one reason. For example why I've been so fascinated to look at the local coverage of City Venture Corporation in the neighborhood newspapers in Minneapolis and power get this right down to the nitty-gritty at this point because Minneapolis Star Tribune company is the second largest investor in City Venture corporation, which is supposed to go in and help help inner-city neighborhoods manage their own Affairs and rejuvenate themselves. The fact there are several things. I seen that I think generally contribute to My Views that I get stuff for what they're worth about the neighborhood press. When is that those local neighborhood newspapers are able to do what the regional newspapers and television can't do and that is do end up stuff and go from week-to-week and cover the same event. One of the things would you find in a neighborhood press which I found is I look through them what you do not find them in the media and media picks out on an event and it whenever the event is I pick up on it when the events not there. They go away. When I started out saying that there's a process that's important events. One of the advantages you have in the neighborhood. Press is that if you look back at your own addition to your homework, you'll see that much more than anyone else. You will follow something. Is it unfold stick with a story for a long time watch it evolve telephone different side and that's very important from the neighbors people point of view in terms of this demythologize. Mm. From the government sector side and major corporations there now talking about the blood of information to terrible problem having to handle too much information neighborhood. People are still worrying about getting information. And what you got is is a kind of if I earned if our new Society is there some experts say an information of society of Information Management then within that Society we've got some Stone Age residents people who aren't worried about that question cuz they didn't have that information to worry about managing and if they're going to participate in that society that got to participate in that I'm one of the ways they get us through local media might Mike my own particular frustrate the feeling is that In the Twin Cities area at least for the media release for The Press the i-team investigations aside for the moment investigative reporters have been about as common as flying saucers. That in terms of doing in-depth reporting like it's been a problem and that the major media hasn't responded. I mean partly you exist because you're good partly. I think you exist because there's a void. I remember one time being in a meeting where some students of mine had dug up some information on some title searches about some landlords and tried to give it to one of the people in the major press and he said that's really exciting things happened. The first thing I did was lose all the title searches when the people went back to ask them what they want to do about that. They said well actually written all the stories we need for this weekend. So we don't want to cover that when we got a quota. I think in the future if you look at your Channel at the challenge, I would I would give I think it's the same as what I see as the promise. And it's I think it's just what mare Latimer said when I work with neighborhood groups in the Twin Cities. Most of them don't care if they get major major major media coverage as much as I thought they would they keep saying what I got in the local paper and everybody reads that when they have a real sense that even if you don't read it, it gets circulated the stuff that's been in the local newspaper say about City Venture Corporation because I know has been circulated all around the country a lot of people in Miami, Florida and Toledo and Philadelphia know about fundamental problems of City Venture corporation, which is also in their cities because it was your local newspapers wrote here. And I think what I would suggest is two things, you got to maintain the end of coverage and one of the things which local newspapers could do to help increase that I don't know what your structure would be. It seems to me you have something sort of like maybe this Association could do it like syndicated columnist, You can do a real good job, and I can see it in Citi Venture of covering a local event from the bottom up but a lot of those local events like the public-private partnership in which city Ventures apart or even within a city a lot of time to recover an event about who's building got condemned or not or whether there was a permit given for particular facility. The larger question is steak. There was what's called automatic rogative Altima Nevada discretion of what they do. There are larger issues at which the local neighborhood events are reflections and if there's a vehicle through which you can you can have through drawing in on people who can talk about those larger issues what's going on that and what's going on recently and plug them back into your local situation. It seems to me there lots of names neighborhood. Gordon relevant things were the same story might be published in 10 or 12 different newspapers in Minneapolis. And st. Paul. What is the fundamental thing going on? It's important to what localism and local this is all about. It isn't just a local event or in some cases where they can be plugged together. And if there is some vehicle by which you could an Essence sort of cindicator pass around particles at that level so that they got to this incredibly broad-based readership. It seemed to me that would that would add a critical Dimension to this whole process by which people begin to take back to themselves control over their own lives and destinies by understanding the relationship some things that are going on in the neighborhood. Thank you very much.