Today we present highlights from the testimony of Dino Butler Butler referred several times to Anna Mae aquash a Native American woman active with the American Indian movement in South Dakota aquawash was allegedly threatened by FBI special agent David Price and was found dead 3 months later on a ranch and one blue South Dakota, although the initial autopsy pronounce doc wash dead of exposure a subsequent independent autopsy concluded that anime had died from a bullet fired into her head at close range. The bullet was still lodged in her head at the time of the autopsy the FBI denies threatening aquawash and it denies Butler's charge of harrasment Butler's testimony begins with a description of his activities and Pine Ridge before the shootout, February 1975.I was asked to go to Pine Ridge. To live there with these people and help them. Set the goons are. We're drinking in the streets and throwing their beer cans and beer bottles at cars passing by that they were beating people up pretty bad out there really getting out of hand. Said they want to people there. American Indian movement that would be willing to go there and live there with these people and help them any way they could I went up there with my brother Peltier. And we stay there at Oglala. People brought us food out there in April goddess. Money gas money and stuff to go around several times. In the middle of the night people would come to our house where we were staying and asked us to go down to their house at their house, which is shot up. But they were scared that the people might who shot that house up my comeback. They wanted somebody from our house to go down there and stay with him the rest of the night. We would go down there. And we would take guns down there. I'm not denying that you know. the coolest go down without guns several times I have happened. We were there we met a man by the name of Frances Heathrow. He had some good ideas and he talked to us and wanted us to help him to organize in the community there white clay District. located he said that he wanted to organize the landowners there in the white clay District to break away from the Bia to break away from the United States government. Does he seek help from other countries and other people? The dark Throne business are in the white clay. But it would be self-supporting but it would have to depend on a Bia and outs. We sat down with talked quite a few times with this man never other people came around and they supported his ideal want to do this. We had meetings at Oglala. What some traditional people around their land owners at first the paperwork on? Larry of doing it because it was done at Wounded Knee and it's been done before in the government has come in and wash these ideas bees. These things that they want it. I knew that. It wasn't much chance of us. But when it's off, I guess. But we kept talking. We kept meeting with these people. and finding we had about 60 or 70% of the land owners that traditional land owners have people who live on their own land out there in the country. They said they would be willing to do this and we're going to have another meeting at summer. Dennis Banks was down there. We had a sweat lodge in in our camp. We went to ceremonies anime was there Joseph stunts was there? Jimmy little was there a lot of people were there that whenever be there in the morning other dead now, I don't say they're dead. They're gone. 2 in in person, there's no such thing as death. when we pass over into the spirit world our body returns to the sacred Mother Earth and becomes a part of her we don't believe in our bodies being buried and casket the steel stuff like this because our body returns to the Mother Earth and becomes part of her again that way our body lives and our spirit. Go to the spirit world to me with all of our ancestors. There's no death for Indian people who believe in pipe. Another sacred ways. The people are gone now. Uno Attack Federal Bureau of Investigation knew that we were there on the morning of the shootout. We got evidence from their police radio logs that they knew that there was a lame camp south of Ogallala NE for all their police officers to go there. So we know that they knew we were in the area and I knew that Dennis Banks was living there and that he had supporters there or not. We were trying to organize these people to break away from the government. That was doing them. No good. South Dakota on three of the reservations there. There's a bigger oil field located. Under these land that's bigger oilfield there than there is in the Alaskan oil field today. The United States government knows this and that's why all this is happening out there. They do this before wounded need the noodles before the Bia take over at the end of people didn't know what yet The doors that go out from these reservation, you know, it looks like Indian versus in Dungeon all Dick Wilson and his goons versus the American Indian movement. Are we finally know now that is different, you know, it's the Federal Bureau of Investigation that CIA and the Bia and all these different organizations working for the government are the ones causing all the trouble is not in and fighting and it looks that way the federal bureau I go in there and ate. Give Dick Wilson and his goons. I give him money given booze. They buy their booze and nobody invited. Truck loads and take it down there and I'll give these people all this booze up in the American Indian movement goes down there and they're there to honor somebody that died. I got angel angel funeral at awake there. They busted on truck load of beer. I don't know where it was coming in was coming into South Dakota and when a dick Wilson goons with driving his truck they busted it was accidentally busted by State Police who didn't know what was going on and he busted the truck. The guy was never charged. We don't know what happened to the booze. Nobody. Nobody seems to know what happened to the truckload of beer and all. Things like this happen all the time. I named gathers down there. The FBI buy ammunition and booze and stuff. What is Goons? Why did humans start drinking that's how they get their courage and bravery. They have to have this white man's poison in them before they can act like white people. I'm going to come down and I start shooting and everything. People shot people's houses up old people's houses. I seen a little girl at the Sundance her arm half of her arm was shot at the Forum. A lot of people walking around with gunshot wounds and burns on their bodies because their houses they were in the houses where these things happened. Can just sit around or not do nothing. We had to help these people some way and all because we're all related. When I was arrested the FBI, they told me that I'm not. They told me I was a scumbag that I didn't deserve to live with white folks and I got to thinking about that. I got to agree with that FBI agent and all of them. Cuz I got to look and see. What are white folks and all? And I see are they are they are the FBI agents, you know, are they? CIA are in are they the police that we see out here in the streets? Are they these are these white folks and I say yeah, they're white folks and all these other white folks that I don't deserve to live to what I don't want to live with him. people act like this, you know. I don't want to live with him. June 26th Came around me and my wife was living in a teepee. We weren't bothering nobody will be there helping the people and the people wanted us there. We went there to force ourselves on these people these people supported us and help us in many ways. They helped us spiritually. We were invited to their ceremonies. We went to their ceremonies and start learning. their ways I danced in the sun dance with him and I'll wait anime was there Joe stuntz was learning the spiritual ways. He wanted to be a spirit of a spiritual man someday. Joe starts with a very quiet man. I never had much to say. Had a lot of respect for him. I still have a lot of respect for him. A lot of people down there. I know you're going to jail. They call him Little Joe. It was a big man now, but they call him Billy Joel because you never seem to want to be out in front to know he's Waze. We're quiet. He was always there when trouble starting was never afraid to face up to trouble when it happened. I used to go for walks with anime. We still walk out in the hills and we used to talk about the mother earth. She used to talk about her children up in Canada. We talked a lot about a lot of things. When I was in jail. She came to me a couple times in my dreams, you know, and I know she still watching she still taking care of us, you know, she's still around. He'll start the still around the people in Olga. Every once in awhile a spirit comes. I know he's hungry and he makes a little noise and tell people put food out for him. Tobacco offerings and he is quiet no more. There's no more noise in. This happens a lot of times lot of lot of the spirits of our ancestors come back and let us know that they're they're helping us. You know we are right. We're just as right as all of our ancestors who stood up against the United States government against these white folks and fought for what they believed in what they knew was right? We know we're just as right as our ancestors are FBI agent I don't mourn a death of those two FBI agents. I don't say they had it coming to him, but I've been running over people down here for too long. I've been killing to too many people. They're part of a system that has killed a lot of our people. And maybe that's the way it was supposed to be. Maybe that's if you believe in a God if you believe in a creator and you know that these people are supposed to act that way. They're not supposed to come into homes. Charlie's Homes apartment threatened little babies and all sorts of little babies and make little kids get on the ground is going after head shot guns and stuff. All the things ain't right. And if you believe in a God if you believe in a Creator, you know in your heart that this ain't right to and you know that this stuff is going to be stop these people got to be punished. It will be punished not by us, but not by anybody on this Earth man would be doubly punished by the Creator. That's why I'm here today. That's why I'm walking here. And that's why I'm talking to you, you know because we were right that day. We were under attack. Like I said, I was in a teepee with my wife just getting up. When I heard the firing starting up there. Norman Brown came down uses Shooting up there we got to get up there and there's women and children up there. So I grabbed my gun. I told my wife I said take Janie and the other girls and try to get out of here. I went running up there with my brothers. Got up there with receive fire real heavy Fire coming. There were two cars out in the field and there were two cars down in a gully and there was cars all around us already by the time I got up there only took me five minutes or so to get up there and yet we were already surrounded by the time I got up there. I seen ivis and Angie and their three children run out of their house running toward our camp in the direction of our camp. your grandma Grandma and Grandpa were up there. I thought because that's where most of the firing with me and concentrated up there. I told my brother Peltier. I want to go up there and see if Grandma and Grandpa are up there and it said I don't try and get him out of there. He told me to go ahead and I went up to the house there and there was nobody in the house. There was nobody in our other house with Rondo assist and they want her. She's got two or three kids to there's nobody there. So I went back down. I told my brother Peltier Leonard it says Hey, so there's nobody up there at the house when we go back to our camp now try to get out of here ourselves. So we withdrew from there and we went back down to our camp. Got ready to leave another brother came back. Set a Jostens was dead. So we all knelt down we pray there. We pray for my brother. Brady would have a safe and good journey up to the spirit world and that someday we would be there with him. Then we left. On the way out. We met my wife knee lock and Genie and a girl named Lynn. They couldn't get out. They said they went all over. We were surrounded it said there was no way to get out everywhere. They went they said there was there was a road box and there was a policeman all around it so they couldn't get out. That's why they came back. 12 figures Now that's no way to get out notice. If there were they couldn't get out when we didn't know how we were going to get out, you know. Play it again and all for the women, you know, we were thankful that Angie and her children were out of there and I listen them. I did not see it. But Norman Brown told me that there was an eagle He Saw an Eagle come down while we were praying. For some reason when we left there goes our Creek really like a snake really whines around like that. You know how to quick calls like that? No, but when we got done playing at the end we left we went in a straight line. We walk to that Creek. Several times we didn't know what we were going or anything. We were just going that way my wife lost lost her moccasins in the mud. She was barefooted. We're trying to come to this one spot that's Road the car with that would crawl underneath a car and went through there and we went up the hill. Got up there safely. People said we were going up that hill like there was an eagle flying over us to the Indian people that you go is sacred and it's when I was in jail. I Heard a Voice tell me that the eagle is my helper. He will help you whenever you need help. He represents me. Always respected angle because you are respecting me. I heard this voice tell me that when I was in jail. May that there's a voice of the grandfather great spirit talking to me telling me about the eagle. And your stance was buried it was an eagle flying above him above the ceremony. And it came down circle like that over and it took off. A lot of times when Indian people have gathered together. To Worship in some way that the Eagles have appeared. When will it appear in November of 1974? Fortera bad heart bull who was in prison then? It was an eagle appeared over the capitol at Pier. Where's a good sign and will not too long after that terrible adorable got out of jail? all the time that the Eagles to take with we know that you go let it out that day. If we were wrong. If we were in the wrong if we done something wrong that day these sacred things wouldn't have helped us. We would not have been taken care of. I know Joe stuntz died there. Play the Indian way. They have to be sacrifices that is a part of our religion. We always sacrifice and we are stronger afterwards if we survive. When we go out to the hills, we pray for four days. We thought we sacrifice we don't eat or drink water for four days just makes us stronger. We have to suffer before we can become stronger. We have to know what it is to suffer. This is the Indian way, I believe this is why Joe? It was time for him to go. I could have been any one of us know it's time when it's time. I hope that I can go like Joe. I hope that my desk I'm passing. Will give life to others if we were wrong. We would all died there today. They had it completely surrounded yet. Somehow we got through all those people going up that hill there were bullets flying all around us. I could feel the bullets going through me like going by and I can feel the air and I can hear the Whistling noise. Yet none of these bullets touch me and I was praying going up that hill. I just knew that somebody was going to get shot because there was too many bullets flying around at all around us. I thought about the women, you know, and I pray for them all that's going up that hill. When I got up there and we all met up there, you know, I knew then you know that whatever happens we were right that we would be taken care of. There would be no harm to us Butler went on to accuse the FBI of Harrison Native Americans by destroying objects of religious significance. Pipes and stuff like that. They violate these things. And make fun of them. Call are tobacco cowshit. Things like this that are sacred to the Indian people. They make fun of the doneness for 200 years longer. That is why those agents died wasn't because we killed him or nothing. Because all those FBI agents were being punished they walk around in a cry about me and Bob being acquitted. I say that we shouldn't be a quitter to know that we're evil that were cold-blooded killers. And they cry to the said that there was the agent walking down the courthouse after I quit walking in the Halls on the courthouse federal courthouse in Cedar Rapids are tears in his eyes now, they are known a little bit about what it is to suffer in the face. If they learn from their suffering if they learn what they're doing is wrong and they learn. How to respect people and everything then they need to be no more suffering among them like that. They don't need to be no more agents die. Are no more Indians people die. Direct me on the rosebud Indian Reservation September 1975. I gave him a false name and I was sitting in that back into this car. How's that Al running home? There are about 20 or 30 agents their underwear more up at Crow dog's place the rate at the two places at the same time. I heard a bunch of cars pulling into the yard and I jumped up. I looked out the window. I told my wife to get up. I picked up this pissed when I walked out. Three men were coming toward me and I have done asking what the hell is going on Subway after I against get on the ground. So I got on the ground. He came up to me and asked me if anybody else was in the house. I told you as my wife is in there. So they told me to call her out. So I called her out. She came down and made her get on the ground. I showed him the driver's license. I had said Robert Noble on it. but the rest of me there for having a firearm with an altered serial number on it it put me in a back into this FBI car. Later that all the other agents they were they were from the South Dakota area. They've been working on this case. They ever since it happened. I suppose they came down there and this one walk by the car and it looked in the back of the car. Like I looked that mean you walked over to the other agent and it stays as you know, who they got. We got there at 1:18 till now that's Robert Noble said no because that's a fucking Dino Butler. That's why you taking a live agent came over and looked in the car and he walked back over to the funeral parlor. They have a gun on him to 45 load it you should have shot son of a bitch. And they all came over there and start looking at me and pretty soon as one. came over there by himself and he stuck his head in a car and he says you son of a bitch is one of those days that you killed with a good friend of mine is if I ever get you alone because I'm a blow your head off turn around and walked off. retarded leave free agents got in the car start up the car and a couple agents came over and it says you leaving now and it said yeah, I'm going up to Pier One to take him up to pair of there, but don't be surprised if only three of us show up. Another one came over and said you guys are leaving on the side yard cuz I don't leave no bruises on the body. Accept the fact that I was going to die. And I didn't matter no more, you know. And I wasn't going to Snoop when I wasn't going to cry to these people, you know. I made that up to in my mind we started out. Malaysia Visa. You know this. You know what happened? Pretty much what happened, June 26th. There's a few blind spots in it. We're in the position. Do you know to help you if you help us telling us blind spots? I don't know. What do you mean? Start seeing a little hope there and I think I might go get the pier live if I play it right to know. What do you mean? Why you know, you know what happened that day, you know, if you help us and tell us what happened. We're in a position where we can give you a new identification. You know what can send you to another location give you a good job in the car you and your wife. If you just tell us what happened to fill in the blank spots for us now. If you don't do it tonight, or you going to spend the rest of your life behind bars will do everything in our power to see that you spend the rest of your life Behind Bars riding away. Or I'm going to kill you. Classical how do I know I'm going to be safe. How do I know that you guys can protect me? He says we've done it before we got people living like this and other places now that it's helped us. We gave him a new identity, you know, we sent them up set them up in another spot. All you have to do it when we do this this mind your own business, you know. I don't go out and raise a bunch of heck and stuff gets out picked up. Don't bring no attention to you and you'll be alright. So, how do I know you know, where you going to send me in so we can send you anywhere near, Florida? Any word back used to know? flight as well I don't know, you know, I kept it up all the way to Pier when I got the pier. They took me up to the fourth floor in the Federal Building took me into this room. I knew then that I was pretty safe that they wouldn't be shooting me there in the Federal Building. That's what I told him that I didn't want to talk to me no more. I want to call my lawyer. I got nasty with me and start pushing me around. Cussing me out a scumbag thought there was a scumbag is it at all he did was come bags and he didn't my people weren't going to help me. Why am I protected nothing wrong? Start telling me about Wounded Knee future cash it in his went to London and laid in the grass and shot from a long ways at Federal forces. They weren't Braves whatever chickenshit they want to come out and fight in the open a lady baby on bunkers and stuff like this fighting. Tell me how I was chickenshit because I laid behind the bunker at Oglala and shoppies agents. But I wasn't Brave I wasn't tough for nothing. I was just a little bitty nobody scumbag. You know, I didn't deserve to live. Nobody else. I was there that day. I don't do everything in their power to see that these people were dead. They promised me that they would kill me if I didn't spend the rest of my life rotten Behind Bars. I wouldn't say anything to him. Tell him I want to call my lawyer to get this up for 6 hours. Finally got mad mad or something on the last thing they told me when he walked out the dino Butler you're nothing but a worthless. scumbag and I promise you that someday I'm going to shoot you my bro your fucking head off and turn around. They walked out of the room. Took me out a scene anime. She was sitting out there. She smiled at me. No smile back at her and it to me in the holding tank Roy dog was here the other people that they arrested down there with her. I thought I thought that I would never. Before you I knew that. I knew that they were going to Railroad me and all they said that there was talk that there was an ambush stock that we do those agents in there. And I we executed them you heard on the news there that we dug them out of their cars and shot him repeatedly. I knew that if they wanted to they could do they can railroad me on these charges like that to know because they've done it to other people before you know, and I didn't do that. I didn't have much hope of ever being out again free. I was feeling pretty low down when I went in there and grow tall was there. He told me not to worry you nephew. Everything's going to be alright, I just remain strong. he wrote up a Cigarette he says I want you to pray with me. So I want all my brothers in here to pray with us. So we all sat down and we smoke that cigarette together and we prayed. Happy birthday tickets all over to the jail and was it to us all in the same tank to describe several incidents of harrasment that took place while he was in jail, including not being able to mail more than two letters a week not being able to receive presents of food having religious objects confiscated and being repeatedly threatened with solitary confinement later. He said the harrasment took him more dangerous turn when he was not allowed to see his lawyer who I am. Allison, I know this man, what's the problem? It says no problem. I don't believe none of the identification. He's got to know. Sabrosas Y. What would it take to get him in there and on? how to say about how about if I got a court order from the judge to come in here and swell if you got a court order says I have to honor that snow, so he left to come back 15 minutes later at a court order to visit paying on It sure was all mad. He left and on Molly sat down and it says Jesus. Oh. Cuz if this is a sign of what you going through in the tail is cuz I sure don't want to be in here and you know with you. So what. I took that. one time call us all out of our cells like that. It took us all downstairs and put it in this one holding tank like that everybody in the Cell Block. Turn on the FBI agents around when I took. so first one day they come back and they call one guy out like that, you know, and he went out like that about 15-20 minutes later. Come back call another one out, you know. Person, I was only one left in there and I was in about half hour came and call me and it took me out told me going back up to my cell. So I walked upstairs and they lock the back up and everybody was in there. They move two guys out of there, but two more guys. And his brothers that were left there and all they told me, you know, that that the FBI had called him out of there and called him into his room. Set up a new Butler and honestly, yeah, we know him, you know, we're locked up with him as well. You know that Butler killed two of our agents, don't you? It's a no, I don't know what I want to know what I did, you know? I want information on if you can give us information and we don't know what you what the charges are anything. But if you help us at all. Give us information if you know anything if your butler say anything, or if you're willing to testify or some like that we can help you out and I'll get you a job charge this job and I'll give you no idea or whatever. You need to know. I know I don't know nothing, you know, and they all got out until they got up and walked out. I didn't know nothing that they told me that I'd known I got affidavit from those guys saying that you know, they did the same thing to Bob is he said that they dropped everybody off as hell, you know on lock them all up and call them out one by one. Temperature is only one that's been told him go back to his house. We went back there and they all told him they done the same thing down there called everybody out question about Bob me and I wanted information any kind of information is then that would help. couple days later then they call me and Bob out and put it in that little bit of Hell by ourselves. And I start moving everybody out of all of the jails and I'm moving to different jails around there and kept me and Bob & Sons. And one morning to come in and woke us up real early and just come on you guys are leaving, you know. So we didn't know what was going on. It took us took it from there. And it was clear over to the Sioux Falls and took us to the South Dakota State Penitentiary there and What is an isolation room? Lieutenant that is what are you? How come we're here? You know, what's going on? I said, I don't know. What can we have our legal material reading stuff and property. I don't know what's going on. Is this because I don't know I know who would I ask you tell him that I'd like to talk and Warden you say y'all not tell the word so worn them come down to that day. So the next morning. wrote a letter to the warden, you know, and I told him that I like to know what's going on. And I don't know why I'm here. I don't know why we can't have our legal papers, you know cording to the law. We can have our legal papers and our legal books in it anytime. We are arranged a or no. I want to know why you know, what can have is toughness I said, there's nothing I can do about it. That's cuz I'm here in the whole it says they ain't nothing I can do about this until I get some information. That's what I want to do. I just want to eat or drink no more, you know until you come down here and tell me what's going on. So the next day you come down here and he brought this piece of paper and he told me that judge Bowl get ordered us transferred to the State Penitentiary for our own protection. You know that we were being trying that our trial has been postponed for two weeks and are being transferred to Cedar Rapids, Iowa. That's the reason why we were in when we were how old are you know, how come we can't have our legal papers? You know, I don't know. How come we can't call her lawyers. Cuz I got trials coming up real soon and all we got to keep in touch with our lawyers. You know, I'm fucking you know, it's important to know that we do in this is what I'll talk to them and that the time Tennyson sent word back. You know, I'm that we weren't to make no phone calls. We were to have our legal papers and stuff that we were being moved right away and there's no sense bringing in a property in and have to load it all up and everything again, you know. I said, okay well for being moved by the way, it sounds reasonable two weeks later. They moved us how to get to Cedar Rapids. Got to Cedar Rapids Fair. the next morning they call Bob out to fingerprinting just happened before all our lawyers were out of town one time and judge bolt signed a paper saying that we had to be fingerprinted loved and I'll pictures were they supposed to be taken? Somehow our lawyer in them. St. Louis heard about a Bruce Alice and I called him and said they can't do that. You know that's illegal. You guys don't have to do that, you know. And I got a hold of the judge and everything. They got that motion court order that got it. You got to Cedar Rapids. The first thing I did was call Bob out in this is why we're going to fingerprint you were going to take your pictures and all for only records here at the jail while says I'm a federal prisoner. If I don't matter is this phone records here at the jail and says you have no right to fingerprint man. Take my picture that says if you do it says I want to have my lawyer present. I have the right to have my lawyer here. I know you don't need it for the lawyer. I like to call my lawyers. Now you call your lawyer after we get done taking your picture. I want to call now. He left Bob said he come back a little later. Tell Bobby said you were going to take your finger from going to take your fingerprint one way or another right now and says you either going to do it willingly or sister or I'm a force you to Bob's as I want to call my lawyer and grab bar. But then threw up against the wall need him in the crotch like that. Threw it down on the floor. And Bob not one time did Bob do anything to resist cuz he knew that if he resisted resisted, then they could you know that you're could justify, you know that it was kind of self-defense or something cuz it happened a lot of times before. So anyway, Bob submitted to the fingerprints and the pictures and Arnold got a hold of my lawyers. hand An investigation was ordered by the judge down there said the judge down. There was a hell of a lot different than in judge bulb in South Dakota catch bulk. was really how do you spell will call Peg and awl? Give me the wallet in in filton and dirt and Ani had no respect in all. We just kind of Georgia's guy is down in South Dakota, you know, and he had a lot of lot of cases down there, you know all the American Indian movement. FBI they do anything on that reservation and get away with it because whenever complaints are made to the justice department or something to go through bull go down there and bulges never no never does nothing about it. That's why the FBI didn't get away with a lot of stuff, you know illegal subpoena is either go grand juries and stuff like this in South Dakota because it's all taken care of. And low don't know what the law is done. And you know, he has his own. Meaning of law of Law & Order is done or not. He had ministers in his courtroom down there to the Indian people, you know. Was George in Cedar Rapids a little bit more understanding little bit more sympathetic and Ani order to investigation into what happened to Bob rabideau. Why isn't tail down and why Bob was beat up to know. found out that I sure it was totally in the wrong for doing that that that that that that kind of force was not needed to be used against Bob. You know what the fingerprint stuff? and Criminal charges have been filed against this year. And there's no pending down there. I guess they let the gation come up and come up with facts, you know that at the Sheriff Deputy that use excessive force and he denied Bob is basic ride to know to call his lawyer and stuff like this. He had no right to fingerprint Bob in the first place and all and divorce him this way to do it to no. And I was all brought out in this investigation Donner try not to that the same trip has beaten up a lot of people down there in that jail and all while I was in jail or I've had people come in there and I want to hear about Bobby beat up second day. We were there, you know how they come in there and they would tell me you know that they know that the guy done that because he's done that to them and all he's done that before and you know, I just said the sky and stalk he's going to kill somebody pretty soon cuz he's being up some people for the bad to know. so anyway Charges were brought against him in the jail down there being soon everything. How can I try on this over with they took me and Bob out the next morning real early they call us out and it took us down to the jail in. Wichita, Kansas City, Missouri She was in there Friday evening. We would have to spend the weekend in their. Took away our clothes and give us their own clothes and they give us a brand new sheets and brand new pillow cases and towel. Give it up to this big sale box. Really a big one. Who was in the area known? I will lock the door. Like I loved, you know, we walked to all these tears about 5 or 6 hours and there was about six man's house. Watching out looking all these house and it was no mattresses in there, you know, no pillows or nothing like that. So we found it on the wall. No mattress. No, no pillows. How to summon there somewheres look around on walked off and on. We call him back with on there. Ain't none in here. You know, it's why I will get you some as it don't worry about it tonight when they left. Monday morning Nicholas house and I'll take us to Leavenworth federal prison and all. sellbot A3000 they said they must have had some fish to these people that were in there before. I don't know. I must be about a week or so before it was way it smells and everything Fishbones Orlando garbage piled. I was about to feed her all kinds of garbage laying all over the floor and everything going on. Tronix Tronix in a Cell Block stain work or nothing really stunk in a really bad and everything. We are square mop and broom in a we want to clean up a little bit in the area. It would bring us no mop and broom. Don't want us some stationary want to make phone call and it wouldn't make no phone calls and nothing will tell me why you know, so while you're in transit now and we have orders, you know that you can't do it on this stuff, you know. So we didn't do anything. We cleaned up best we could and got rid of all that stuff. Took us to Leavenworth nephew was in isolation there. When we walked in there and you when you first go in there, they take you down to this receiving a discharge room address you in there. To give us these clothes and take a shower and put these clothes on and getting ready to take a shower and a guard comes over to me. Cuz you know what, you know why you're here. It says I do to you know, it says this is a reservation to and it said we run the reservation here and it's if you don't follow the orders here, so I'm going to bury you here. I just smiled at him and I went took my shower and come back out. He kept trying to get me mad. I took us up to the cell block. No man locks up. lieutenant in a couple of each car that's one particular one room in Again, I said that we know why you're here, you know when you know why you're here, you know, you guys don't. God don't follow the rules here. You know, we're going to bury you right here is all you ain't leaving. So is it okay? I told him I said well no cuz I want to hear only here. Do our time I said, whatever come here to cause no trouble. I just want to be left alone. And I said we're going to follow your rules and we're going to do what you say, you know. because we didn't live with me and Bobby both in jail before and you know, you can there's no way you can beat them people in there any because I got the total control over you and to try and fight with these people tied up change the rules in their eyes just not going to be done. Now. We both know this we know, you know, we know we're going to jail before we know what goes on in these tales. And so I said, okay if you got that attitude, just keep that attitude. It wouldn't tell everybody else up there in the whole. I got an oscillation. I don't go out to the yard and stuff like that. Nobody would let me and Bob out. Our cells were locked remotely come up here like that their control while Locking System up there open and close the doors up there. Come down to my Sony but a great big chain around my door like that put a big padlock on it and all laughed at me and turn on walked off and all I got was kind of funny. 2 weeks later they call me out and talk told me I was leaving, you know, they put me on this bus. Was quite an experience as bus. I put me on the found out that they can keep about. Five thousand people in transit what they call in transit mostly the people, you know are in there for political reasons, you know. Are there peeling are Katie's car the fighting, no matter where they have to keep in touch with lawyers and stuff like this. So what they do is they put these people on a bus. And if you put them in transit and the Chipmunks all over the country and all. Plan on escaping all or anything like that didn't they refuse to let these people make any contact with the lawyers or anybody? You know, they can't call no phone like no phone calls and can't have no letters and you can't write no letters while you're in transit. Just the day before I left there. I got to my lawyer, John Lowe from Virginia called me and he told me that I'm going to call you back tomorrow as what kind of waiting word from the judge send you and we should have a word like tomorrow. That's what I'll keep in touch with you as much as I can. You know, I said it's because we went two weeks man to transfer me all over this country. I went from Leavenworth. I went down to Oklahoma from Oklahoma. I went to Texas Texas. I went to Arizona, New Mexico, California and I went to Oregon and went up into Washington all this was happening. My mother back in Oregon was trying to see was really concerned about my safety cuz Testimony brought out. No trial, you know, what about the threats made against my life and everything, you know that I wasn't going to live very long and on threats were made against Fannie Mae that you would not live over a year, you know, and she died five months later in all with a bullet in her head and a happy. I tried to cover it up and Mom learned a lot of things to write registered but he's no longer here are you know? She done this two or three times and pretty soon. She really got worried and I'll start getting sick and she contacted the governor in Oregon and I told the governor, you know about my case. You don't know I just was acquitted and Cedar Rapids call about the threats that were made against my life by the Federal Bureau of Investigation. You known that she was concerned and I'll try to find out where I was at some time and I said, okay so you checked at 11 working on. And it said that I was in transit you known that I was on a bus, you know on. Fight my mother be able to contact me and also wouldn't make her feel better, you know. So when you gonna start showing a girl attention on my cat my in my case, and I will they settle me down and and and Mcneil Island. And they let me have my letter to give me all my letter to give me horse tack for the letters like that, you know on. I got to call my lawyer and everything, you know on. And I'll probably still be intransitive wasn't for my mom or somebody, you know, the tuna Texas this morning and always heading for California or somewhere, you know any tried to Call of Duty now, he's not here yet to know. It's somewhere between here and Texas and how kind of crap, you know, they kept telling my lawyers, lawyers couldn't contract me down. You don't nobody can track me down. finally landed in McNeil Island wasn't too long after I was there. They call me down. I got a caseworker called me down. If it's Riley says appeals court overturn your conviction, you know where you've been acquitted so I don't know. What am I getting out right away cuz we're just waiting for the papers now, so you should be out of here pretty soon though. So I said, okay, so I'm going back to my cell and I waited waited. Two weeks. I waited there, you know. it wouldn't tell me nothing at all on my wife kept calling up, you know and asking when I was getting out and everything and This is why we can't release him that we ain't got the papers yet. And also my wife call back to the lawyers ask him. How come he knows not out yet, you know and it said well, he's supposed to be out without he was all to know the lawyers work. I guess they were kind of wondering why I never called anyone why I never contacted them and you know, I'm because you know, they don't have the right to I guess because I've done a lot of work for me and Bobby. And didn't much respected mnlf. I was out to know I didn't call him or anything, you know, so they kind of upset about that and you know, they could figure out why I was in Mcneil Island yet, you know, when a court order to release two weeks before I found out the court order was sent from the from the judge's office sent to South Dakota to the Marshal's office back there at the Marshall had the papers there and they were just sitting out on me know if they never mailed them out or keep them there. for the job got mad and ordered that I be released right away and on. Call me down couple weeks later, and then we got priority on you Butler your to get out on the next boat. Get your stuff together and get back down there as soon as you can until you leave at 2:45. I said, okay. I went up there and you're not on. I can imagine when they told me. You know, what I was supposed to be a couple weeks before that, you know, so. Receiving discharge after he seemed pretty pretty excited about getting me out of there as soon as possible, you know. I just took my time. I went up there right now to my cell and I'll talk to you when I drink some coffee and talking to him and all I kept calling my name over there and I'll call my number to report to R&D immediately. lightning Girardi also told me so go down to the clothing shop clothing shop and get you a pair of shoes. You want to get out and wait around for about an hour and my telenor walk down and I found it on that door real hard to get that man down there. I cannot tell you what the hell you want. What time are we supposed to get some shoes and come back later and somehow I got orders here to get you and I showed him the slip of paper from the R&D room lights as well. Come on in and so is it when you getting out I said, I don't know you probably getting out Monday, I guess that's why I said just a minute. He walked in the back like that. I never backed up about an hour ago has finally come out there as well. We ain't got no shoes open up the door. It's okay if I walked out again about 2/4 afternoon and honest aren't they? Also, it's really getting upset, you know, cuz I wasn't there yet all I come walking down and he starred in the hell you been you know, it's God damn. I told you to be down here one. I didn't say nothing. You don't want to give me my clothes and then took me out there to the front desk like that. Get out of prison like that supposed to give you some money to get to be discharged. You know, I'll help you get started again. I didn't give me no money. I didn't give me the only give me one set of clothes are supposed to give you a work clothes and four sets of clothing anyway, and give me none of that stuff, you know, kick me out and I had to bum a quarter to make a phone call. I got over on main island 6 days after I was out. I stopped at my uncle's place. Insurance department run a Lincoln Lincoln City Police Department Lincoln County Sheriff's Department. They all know my uncle they know where he lives and his son been in trouble a couple of times. I've been down there looking for people several occasions, you know, it's okay, so I'm staying up there. My little brother is 14 years old comes sneaking in there, you know any ask my uncle where I'm at. So I comes up there any FBI agents what they want to know, so they were looking for you. Set up the side that are looking for you for Xscape. So you escaped out of Mcneil Island. Don't tell my uncle out that I escaped out of Mcneil Island. Alec didn't tell him you know, they couldn't tell him how I just got orders from South Dakota. You know agency, South Dakota is going to order to pick me up over there. That I escaped that I was an escaped. And so this piece of paper to my mom is a teletype kind of seem like my mom said that she wanted for attempted Escape or something like that knowing that I was armed and dangerous. So that's 20 FBI agents come down around my mom and dad's place early in the morning. Mom said she was sitting up in bed. She heard someone knock on the door real loud like that, you know on open up FBI agent. She walked in there like that. And just when I thought I was like that my little brother said he was sleeping like that. He said someone slapped him awake, but then he looked up like that. He said his agent had a pistol like that one. My little brother just looked at him cuz I don't know, you know. Play search the house. Down everything. Before they left. I told my mom, you know. You tell your son that we're going to Hound him. I'm going to keep after and we're going to get him someday, you know. I'm pretty sure they knew where I was at today. They were looking for me know. I know I know they knew where I was at. Why did they search it? My mama's house and do that and I'll put a little terrorist act on them and put a gun to my little brother's head and all and I tell my mom that they were going to have them and they're going to keep after me until they got me someday, you know that there's nothing that I could hide and ending I want to do it, but they will end up getting me in a while. They do all this, you know, and I know it. The charges that they they said they were looking for me so that I attempted to escape while I was in jail in Rapid City. And I turned myself in Yunnan. I look at that now. I know that. I thought at first that they were down here to kill me and I'll come down there and that if I was there they were going to kill me that morning. I knew that I wasn't there they knew where I was they never come up to my uncle's place where I was at that didn't bother that place at the only place and that whole town that they didn't bother. You know, I was the most logical place to look at I didn't find me at my mom's place and I want to cuz my uncle, you know, he's coming out while I'm self, you know his house before, you know, So now I know I can see why they didn't come up come up there, you know because they were just trying to get a message across to me, you know. Trying to tell me, you know that I better butt out and on and leave things as they are else. I was going to get you all to know. Traveling at time. It really made me mad and I'm glad now that I got back with Mom and I was really trying to lean and I'll be happy to stay home and on and behave myself and on not getting involved. You know, why should I go out there? But my life online cuz they're going to kill me if I got involved, you know, and that's what the FBI agent for doing that morning. That's why they came down there and put that message across to my mom and dad and I like it when you get me. And I can see now that that was a message. I think if they wanted me they could have got me. It could have got me that morning. They didn't you know, they just came down and scared all my family and everything. phenomenal. I think about that now and I'm glad now you know because it really pissed me off when they put a gun to my little brother said, you know, and that's why Mom, they still want me home and all my family wants me to home or they want me up in Canada or some safe place. You know, it ain't going to do that. Now, you know, I told Mom and I can't do that after this too many people been killed and it's going to be more people killed. You know, what I'm not going to live over here and hide, you know from the people, you know, because if they want to kill me they're going to kill me. Anyway, no matter where I go or what I do, you know. So I must do what's right what I know is right in my heart and if I have to die for it, and that's good to you know, cuz I'll go to a better place anyway. I'm back over here. You know what? I'm helping out the best way I can you know. I ran into John trudell down in Pine Ridge me and my wife are staying down there or Galaxy come down there. We talked it over, you know. Meet him we entered into a conspiracy. I admit it right now. We went into a conspiracy against United States government United States government is corrupt, you know, and it's bad. It's no kill people. They ransacked people's houses take property illegally and hold it for evidence, you know, I'll never give it back and all stuff like this happens all the time. Do you know Butler game later charged with the death of two FBI agents in the Pine Ridge shootout and acquitted on a peel this fall tomorrow on midday. We presented testimony of Native Americans who say they were harassed by FBI agents wanted to pressure them into appearing for the prosecution at Butler Cedar Rapids trial. I'm Neal st. Anthony