Overlook at the Eraser you talk to me about it. Someone gave me this peanut I've been holding it for about 2 hours playing with it. I have made peanut stew I made Robert peanuts. Give me the other food to haven't you what this show doesn't this only goes back about 69 and then I had a lot of stuff before that made a lot of stuff different from this before that started making food in the 1961. And I made a lot of food made a whole show in Paris of meats and stuff. There's no food in the show. It's all. So the phone more on technological objects. Let's go food. I have noticed that because sometimes when they when they object to soften, they begin to look like food. Like like maybe you mean this erase Iverson has make a make a cakes out of the objects. But if this is an opening as there was recently in the California, I introduced a piece there which was an alphabet in the shape of a Good Humor Bar. If you're going to majan that and we made a cake of the piece using the same mold as a piece and we had the cake at the opening. So that eating eating the object is some another way of partaking of the object in the gallery people aren't allowed to but couldn't eat these objects, but it would be fun to to make some objects for eating, you know, all of these like a three-way plug made of sugar. Something like that. You make them big would you make them for six feet? I like you made them here. blue make cakes that big here come some more drawings. I think that's one of the interesting things about this show that it has so many of your drawings in it and you have such a marvelous sense of humor in your drawing. Well such as what do you think is a drawing with a sense of humor? Well, this looks kind of funny but that's not intentional. It looks like the clothes bin is wearing pants. That's just to protect the the legs. Looking at a 10-foot clothespin. Started doing things with clothespins Harrison smaller ones and made out of different material. Like I like clothespins to architectural form. A justification for making something is if it produces a result that the one likes and I like this results here. I like this template clothespin. I like the color of it the way it stands with looks. It doesn't look very much like a real close, but looks more like a building. Church Tower I guess that's what large clothespins do look like. Oh, look, it's twice as big as we are. Oh, it's me. That's five. This is part of New Edition, Can I make of these letters c? I forgot how nice these are because of the totally different texture. Can we stop at your eraser erasers probably because since I've been a little girl, I mean I use this kind with the little brush on the end. I know these erasers I used to take art classes and typing. This is an out-of-date eraser. Then I minutes it'll only survive in my work. I think one over there and see how different that is for my racer. This is an example of the real thing. You see captured and the mounted like a like an insect. But that's the original source of inspiration. How different each eraser is depending on the size in the material the size effects what you the size of the object in relationship to me the viewer? Give me such a different feeling like that little eraser. You just showed me behind frame glass. I mean, I was completely in control of that one. I've got it all over me cuz I figure this one is 10 feet measured by you. I want to take you to make this big eraser. What is the process process of vacuum forming? Where are plastic is self heated and then brought down over a plaster mold. This was done at the California when the model making place it all till the tick about a year to get this thing in shape. strange feeling to see a recreation in a soft form of something that you're not used to seeing like three way light plug I keep wanting to People come and want to stick their hands in the holes of the office when you make something soft like this you are you invite people in the museum, you know, you're not supposed to touch them. So most of stuff is in cases and it protected from touching cuz you couldn't put these really big ones in cases because case would be Two enormous into expensive so you just have to hope for the best. Yes, I know. It's really sad little what's the big blue one over there made out of that's all blue on this bus vinyl. And then we keep coming up with new things. If I have found the vinyl in the form of dynamite would have used it to know instead of this because it would be more permanent more peculiar. I like you. Falsified material like this is one thing that looks like another. Are you through with plugs now, or as more different materials come to your attention to my to make some more? I don't know. I think I really like this culminated with those big steel plugs, which you don't see her as I said, there's one is in St. Louis in five Museum one is in Oberlin, Ohio and one is in in Philadelphia outside of Philadelphia. Those are really the culmination of this this whole effort. I can't imagine anything only I could imagine would be a building in the form of the plug. And if I could get someone to an architect to collaborate with me. I mean there are some suggestions in the drawings. How practical do you think that would be to think that that it just might come back? Very suitable to a building. Almost any of these things could be turn into buildings. That would give them the Colossal scale. To talk about the plugs just a minute more if someone couldn't see it or couldn't imagine what we're looking at. How would you describe the large three-way light plugs that you've made out of your own and you know that it has the sockets sir or inlets what would you call them receptacles three three sides receptacles. Or rather receptacles on three sides and then one of the four side has a promise which would fit into the wall. I'm sure people know what one of those is not mean it happens if change shapes. Are you particularly drawn to old things? I hadn't noticed that be largest to me from childhood. And that would put them back in about 20 or 30 years. In an area that I have I wish that you described and use your words to do it. Well, this is the pistoresi stones to the premiere of this piece is in the show this the first time this big piece has been shown here is some 9,000 lb colossal ashtray with 13 cigarette butts and it made of lead and steel each one weighing maybe 700 lb So it's quite an impressive piece and brother Crew looking. Don't you think with the chains indeed in the use of the the gray is and then the rest is social kind of War like in a way it looks like a a war monuments. I suppose that has elicited comments of all the way from what war against cancer to do people try to message depends on the people. You know, it does not intended to have any message. It's just a structure of formidable structure in a strong big structure structure. I hear you saying then then what the particular object might mean to whoever is viewing it. I guess we shouldn't read too much into all the cigarette butts sitting around here and then different forms of cylinders crushed cylinders. I love the one over there because I know that I'm sure I've used that ashtray before in my life. Which one is that one? That's a familiar-looking. Ashtray. What is a triangular asteroid the final in Europe very often Martini & Rossi I could think of and so I use that throw a little different. That was a little taller. Now here remember when you asked me what do I think is humorous about your drawings? Well, I think that this decidedly humerus. Yes. It's a it's it's more humorous than other drawings. It's very I intentionally humorous drawing of smiling and enjoying a cigarette butt Benson the right angle, but it's really big. It may be about 40 feet high and it's in the park and it's just been discovered by a girl and a summer dress with a wide brim hat on and then she's got her arms up. Give me expression of surprise and wonder you see this was to have been in a public park on the scale still could happen and that you come across these things. And if I surprised now down below her is another woman who has a soft. A version of the same subject in their arms and she is naked and she's smiling seems to have the collapsed at the thought of it. But I don't even remember why I do it that way. Well, I guess I just wanted to drive that way. Where would you like to walk to now throughout the show that shows how these things were made other fabricated and done up in this Factory and how closely did you supervise the making of these cylinders? Oh, I was there all the time I was The work is with do what I told him to do this and we crushed them. Does it interest you much some of the crazy remark people make? Well, if they're if they're good crazy remarks if they're if they have whipped, you know, it's always fun to hear and this is the last stage of the show, which is the show devoted to the theme of the geometric Mouse. Which is a yum a sculpture of a head. Sort of schematic head which seems to have to round ear forms and it says it's almost impossible to convey what it looks like but this happens to be a white version of the same piece. So it gives it a kind of a ghost quality. the winter Mouse white mouse many of these other little mice forms are are smaller. Oh, yes. We'll see this whole thing. As I was done in many scales this very simple form of the mouse was done in I will you see those scale of that scale of that. They go by your side. One is a 9in year as compared with 6ft are for the one the Walker owns and there is a hundred of those those little ones 9 in years. And there's a 24 of those that are 18 in years. And then it's an even smaller ones. I wish there are maybe a 5000 things out there. Very precise. Well this in particular since it is the geometric Mouse has to do with precise measurements and mathematical increases you can see this drawing of the pyramid. You see how the biggest mouse is on top. And then the next size besides below it. It's almost like a mathematical table. I'm always interested in in people viewing. Works of art and I guess the if I want to know what people think of all this I can come back and ask him but how would you want them to feel how? What's what's what's the range of reaction that you would appreciate from an audience? I really don't know why audiences such a hard thing to imagine. I sent me this pen to be arranged from people who feel the same way. I do about the objects to people who really don't comprehend them at all. You know, I can't imagine why anyone would do such things. And they'll be all ranges I should imagine when you say there will be people that feel the way you do. How would you describe the way you feel about working in these giant sculptures in the soft sculptures in the head with a subject matter that you that you choose people who would be pleased with the invention and the sensaphone all props of mystery that they have or presents the uniqueness of them. I think that are hard to find but there are people who respond to works of art or reached by the mysterious presents and those are usually people who are reached by presences of other things than are sensitive to and then you know and That that's that I would expect us to be my best to audience. But that might be all shades of the enjoyment of of the work. I don't know. Children like the work on Sunday in and then take a survey then. You can inform me about it. No. I noticed the cigarette but at one time I had heard that Oldenburg had said that what he was doing with his art was taking mundane object and Portraying them in a way that would make them transcend towards the spirituality but like a rose is a rose is a rose. And will is a role as I would like to say that I think that a cigarette butt is a cigarette butt is a cigarette butt and will always be just a cigarette butt but a light bug I like bug. Do you like plugs are very sexual? I thought they were kind of good. I like them very much. I wonder if you know where will this be 25 years from now, we're being made fun of What art does this pretty much anyway nowadays really as Louise and I looked at the plugs in the cigarette butts and things I kept saying. I wish your 4 year old boy wear with us because really it's it's the way I remember seeing things when I was little and I wish I could still see things that way today. I can't I've been to tarnished by getting old. This is I think the genius of the man that you never pay attention to. What kind of art is? All right, but I think his whole attitude is too commercial, but I mean is a latitude and it seems like he wants a lot of publicity and I like that you feel well what I like most about Oldenburg. I like the show. It's the way he sees ornery object. I think it's just fantastic that he can put them through all these different Transformations. I think he's got a great imagination. I don't know. What can you say a plastic plug? It's really interesting the way he remix objects that we experience everyday and turns them into works of art but yet no makes them so. So strange by making them soft, you know, that's what's really interesting about this office. I Love It Fabulous I like a man with a very preconceived. I don't like any of this no-nonsense top artists are good. You're surprised. I'm really very surprised because it's supposed concept followed me here is very good. I wouldn't want to buy any of it a long lasting. There is something about a 10ft clothespin that that cannot be accomplished by 4ft close to me. Mayor of the village shame the blacking Walt Disney.